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    Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    If you have not seen the home run he hit off of former Red Josh Roenicke tonight in Colorado, go watch it here, right now.

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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Apparently it was 474-feet, which if memory serves me correctly, was the exact distance of Frazier's straight-away bomb to center the other night.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Apparently it was 474-feet, which if memory serves me correctly, was the exact distance of Frazier's straight-away bomb to center the other night.
    Hittrackeronline.com has Frazier's at 436 feet. There is an explanation of the vast difference in distances over on RedReporter if you want to see why.

    BBTN just said that Stanton's home run was into a 10 MPH wind.... blowing toward home and that it was actually a 494 footer even with the wind. I will be checking Hittrackeronline in the morning to see what it was when adjusted for the weather/altitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Hittrackeronline.com has Frazier's at 436 feet. There is an explanation of the vast difference in distances over on RedReporter if you want to see why.

    BBTN just said that Stanton's home run was into a 10 MPH wind.... blowing toward home and that it was actually a 494 footer even with the wind. I will be checking Hittrackeronline in the morning to see what it was when adjusted for the weather/altitude.
    I get his explanation but there is clearly a lot of error with it. There's no way that ball would have only landed 36 feet away from the fence if there were no obstruction. That's just not very likely.

    I think in this case, 474 feet is much more probable. Both are total estimates based on trajectory, so neither explanation is going to be definitive. I trust the ballpark's estimate more though because they had a much better view of the trajectory. The guy even admits the camera angle isn't very good, so that has to leave a lot of issue with his estimation. I don't think it's prudent to believe an estimation where the trajectory of the ball can't be seen on the video he used to estimate it.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I get his explanation but there is clearly a lot of error with it. There's no way that ball would have only landed 36 feet away from the fence if there were no obstruction. That's just not very likely.
    Based on what? Your statement only makes sense if you simply ignore the arguments he makes in regards to the angle of the of the overhang, angle of descent and so forth.

    Yeah, it looked longer; but looks can be deceiving. There's a lot of error in perception as well.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Based on what? Your statement only makes sense if you simply ignore the arguments he makes in regards to the angle of the of the overhang, angle of descent and so forth.

    Yeah, it looked longer; but looks can be deceiving. There's a lot of error in perception as well.
    You picked this one line out of my whole post? It's based on the fact I trust people that saw the trajectory in person to have a better estimation of it than he did. My own opinion is the ball was not on a rapid descent downward, but he definitely didn't have a better view than the ballpark estimation.

    By his own admission, the lone view of the homer he has cannot know the trajectory of the ball. So his explanation only makes sense if he ignores that the person in the ballpark that did the estimation had a better view of that than he could possibly know off the camera angle. But I say based on the same view he had that there's no way it only would have traveled just over 36 feet further. I'm not challenging him on his rationale for the math, I'm saying the math is wrong because it's based on a terribly big assumption.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Hittrackeronline.com has Frazier's at 436 feet. There is an explanation of the vast difference in distances over on RedReporter if you want to see why.

    BBTN just said that Stanton's home run was into a 10 MPH wind.... blowing toward home and that it was actually a 494 footer even with the wind. I will be checking Hittrackeronline in the morning to see what it was when adjusted for the weather/altitude.
    I saw that earlier today too. After the Reds called Ludwick's HR tonight 425, I'm curious what the other guys come up with on that one too.

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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Hittrackeronline.com has Frazier's at 436 feet. There is an explanation of the vast difference in distances over on RedReporter if you want to see why.

    BBTN just said that Stanton's home run was into a 10 MPH wind.... blowing toward home and that it was actually a 494 footer even with the wind. I will be checking Hittrackeronline in the morning to see what it was when adjusted for the weather/altitude.
    Impressive, but no more impressive than Fraziers blast in my opinion.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Impressive, but no more impressive than Fraziers blast in my opinion.
    It went 60 feet further than Fraziers, which is incredibly more impressive.

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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Yes, identical to Frazier's. Giancarlo has a much cooler new name though.

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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    I used to hit 300+ yd drives with ease when I lived in Colorado and that was with much older club technology in the late 90s. Good times.

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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by oregonred View Post
    I used to hit 300+ yd drives with ease when I lived in Colorado and that was with much older club technology in the late 90s. Good times.
    Excellent point.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    That there can be such a vast difference itself tells me that the whole thing is completely bogus - meaning estimated only and liable to big error. Seems to be really true they'd need three cameras and a triangulation method.

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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    That there can be such a vast difference itself tells me that the whole thing is completely bogus - meaning estimated only and liable to big error. Seems to be really true they'd need three cameras and a triangulation method.
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    Re: Giancarlo-Cruz Michael Stanton is a strong, strong man

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    That there can be such a vast difference itself tells me that the whole thing is completely bogus - meaning estimated only and liable to big error. Seems to be really true they'd need three cameras and a triangulation method.
    The difference is in the trajectory of the ball. HTO saw it being a high trajectory, meaning that it fell much quicker once it reached its apex, where as the Reds labeled it as a lower trajectory. HTO noted that hardly ever do the stadium guys pick the high trajectory, which is why we will at times see their numbers be off a bit from HTO.


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