I have been trying to show over and over again why Hamilton's numbers are either similar or in fact superior to Taveras's numbers in the minors. That is all. You started by stating how incredible the other guy's seasons are, and I have shown through countless number of stats how incredible Hamilton's season is in comparison. He is not just a bunch of steals like you wanted to think.
I have never said he is just a bunch of steals. I said he is having a good season with a bunch of steals.
The facts are, you belittled Hamilton's stats in comparison to others on the list and I have used accepted cumulative offensive stats to show he does in fact stand up to them and actually above them.
This is more for the people that actually accepted your stance but stated "we are Reds fans let's vote for the Reds." That is not even needed. Hamilton's stats stand up to the others and actually exceed them, plain and simple. His stats should in no way be considered "a good season with a bunch of steals." From a cumulative offensive value perspective, his stats are some of if not the best in the minor leagues this year.
I will take what Oscar Taveras is doing over what Hamilton is doing. Give me power over speed any day of the week. Unfortunately he is a Cardinal and he looks like he is going to be a very, very good one at that.
IMO, that had a bigger impact on Rickey's OBP then his power.
Rickey had nice power (297 HR in 25 seasons), but pitchers did everything they could to keep him off base. They weren't walking Henderson because they were scared of his HR power. Henderson played on several really good teams where he had guys with better power hitting behind him.. In other words, no one would give Stubbs a walk because they fear his power, with Votto hitting behind him.
If Billy becomes a 100 SB threat, teams are not going to want him on base period. The question is whether Billy will hit major league pitching well enough that he's pitched carefully. As I said, many minor league players have nice walk rates on the farm. Then they come to the big leagues, can't hit big league pitching, and the walks evaporate.
If Billy can hit .300 in the majors as his hitting coach suggests, he'll get plenty of walks to go along with it. Billy seems to have good pitch recognition in the minors. That will transfer to the bigs. Now, whether Billy can actually hit .300 remains to be seen..
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With that said since moving up he's cut down his strikeout rate and his walk rate has gone up again.
In 82 games at single A he had 70 strikeouts and 50 walks. His current pace at AA has him going for 64 walks and 64 strikeouts in 82 games. Doesn't seem that significant but it is.
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His strikeout rate has actually gone up. In Bakersfield he had a 17.8% K rate. In Pensacola it is 18.4%. In the grand scheme of things, that really isn't a difference. But yeah, it hasn't actually gone down.
Yet his K rate was much higher in A and rookie ball. That is not normal variance. That is actual improvement.
If you actually want to point to something statistically relevant that is a difference it's his caught stealing rate.
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