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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Ryan Hanigan has a .720 OPS and he has been intentionally walked 10 times. If you bat him 2nd he'll have 0 IBBs and his OPS will be in the .600's and he's slower than death.
    that's assuming that in those 10 intentional walks he would of made 10 outs if pitched too.

    Your saying that Stubbs or Cozart is a better option than Hannigan batting 2nd? 70 points higher in OBP is not significant?
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    that's assuming that in those 10 intentional walks he would of made 10 outs if pitched too.

    Your saying that Stubbs or Cozart is a better option than Hannigan batting 2nd? 70 points higher in OBP is not significant?
    I'd rather just leave it how it is. I don't think Hanigan is enough of an offensive improvement over either of them to warrant a change. Not to mention he only plays 60% of the time.
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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Regarding playoff roster...Do the Reds really need to carry 12 pitchers? One of the starters will go to the pen. I suspect that the Reds will use the DL to postpone the final roster decision beyond the 31st.

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by RED VAN HOT View Post
    Regarding playoff roster...Do the Reds really need to carry 12 pitchers? One of the starters will go to the pen. I suspect that the Reds will use the DL to postpone the final roster decision beyond the 31st.
    Exactly.

    My three things.

    1. Acquire David Dejesus.
    2. Activate Joey Votto, Nick Masset and Bill Bray and use the DL to keep options open and get guys with minor injuries healthy and ready for the post season (Cairo, Lecure, Ondrusek, Broxton, Rolen, etc,)
    3. Find a Way to Use a 3 Man rotation in the post season

    Play-off Roster

    Pitchers

    1. Cueto
    2. Latos
    3. Arroyo

    4. Lecure/Leake/Bailey
    5. Simon
    6. Bray
    7. Arredondo
    8. Masset
    9. Broxton
    10. Marshall
    11. Chapman

    12. Hanigan
    13. Mesoraco
    14. Votto
    15. Phillps
    16. Cozart
    17. Rolen
    18. Frazier
    19. Valdez
    20. Ludwick
    21. Dejesus
    22. Bruce
    23. Paul
    24. Stubbs
    25. Heisey
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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    1) Hannigan should be moved up to bat 2nd. The dude is batting .284 with a 368 on base percentage. Do you know how hard this is batting 8th...with the pitcher hitting behind you? Absolutely no protection. What would be his average with Phillips hitting behind him or Votto when he returns?
    Even if his BA went up, his OBA would surely suffer.

    His OPS is OBA (or more specifically, walk) driven. That's a refection of him being willing to allow himself to be pitched around, an impostant ingredient to hitting 8th.

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    I think Miguel Cairo makes the playoff roster. I think XP does too.
    That would mean one of Rolen, Valdez, Heisey or Frazier doesn't make it.

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Exactly.

    My three things.

    1. Acquire David Dejesus.
    2. Activate Joey Votto, Nick Masset and Bill Bray and use the DL to keep options open and get guys with minor injuries healthy and ready for the post season (Cairo, Lecure, Ondrusek, Broxton, Rolen, etc,)
    3. Find a Way to Use a 3 Man rotation in the post season

    Play-off Roster

    Pitchers

    1. Cueto
    2. Latos
    3. Arroyo

    4. Lecure/Leake/Bailey
    5. Simon
    6. Bray
    7. Arredondo
    8. Masset
    9. Broxton
    10. Marshall
    11. Chapman

    12. Hanigan
    13. Mesoraco
    14. Votto
    15. Phillps
    16. Cozart
    17. Rolen
    18. Frazier
    19. Valdez
    20. Ludwick
    21. Dejesus
    22. Bruce
    23. Paul
    24. Stubbs
    25. Heisey
    I can see them going with only 11 pitchers in the postseason, but they won't start using a rotation under which the starters are not getting 4 days rest.

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    That would mean one of Rolen, Valdez, Heisey or Frazier doesn't make it.
    Off the top of my head, wouldn't it have to be Heisey?

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Off the top of my head, wouldn't it have to be Heisey?
    Heisey isn't sitting for Paul, much less Cairo.

    It's gotta be Cairo or Valdez. Of course they would only do that if they felt Cozart would play every inning of every game. Any injury would force them to DL him immediately to bring in Valdez (though we'd have Cairo or Frazier playing SS for the balance of the game). That seems an unnecessary risk to simply keep Cairo around.

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by RED VAN HOT View Post
    Regarding playoff roster...Do the Reds really need to carry 12 pitchers? One of the starters will go to the pen. I suspect that the Reds will use the DL to postpone the final roster decision beyond the 31st.
    I think they will go with one less pitcher. My guess would be LeCure since he has been having some shoulder problems. So they could keep Cairo,Paul and everyone else currently on the bench for the playoffs.
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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    My only desire is to platoon Paul with Stubbs. Stubbs against lefties, Paul against righties.

    It can't hurt to try. And it should be tried for more than just one game.
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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    I dont think we'll ever see a catcher hit 2nd in a Dusty lineup. While it makes sense to us, it won't really bother me if it never happens.

    That said, I simply do not understand Dusty's logic on NOT putting BPhil to leadoff and have Ludwick hit cleanup. At the ASB, Jocketty was on the hunt for a cleanup hitter. We have one - it's Ryan Ludwick. I fail to see how BP is viewed as a better cleanup than Ludwick.

    - Phillips
    - Cozart
    - Votto
    - Ludwick
    - Bruce
    - Frazier/Rolen
    - Stubbs
    - HaniMes
    - P

    That's a GOOD lineup. If only it'd be used...

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    My only desire is to platoon Paul with Stubbs. Stubbs against lefties, Paul against righties.

    It can't hurt to try. And it should be tried for more than just one game.
    Can Paul play an adequate CF?

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    Can Paul play an adequate CF?
    5 starts in 77 starts at CF

    I'm guessing, no he can't.

    And "things" like that are tried during spring training or losing seasons, not seasons like the Reds are having.

    The mantra of this team has always had an undercurrent of defense first, doubtful that will change in late August

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    Re: 3 things that should be done before our postseason

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    that's assuming that in those 10 intentional walks he would of made 10 outs if pitched too.

    Your saying that Stubbs or Cozart is a better option than Hannigan batting 2nd? 70 points higher in OBP is not significant?
    YEs, I agree with Dusty. I'd rather have Stubbs/Cozart at the top of the order vs Hannigan.

    Both Stubbs/Cozart have more power than Hannigan, and more speed.
    They can get into scoring position easier.
    I also think Hannigan's OBP plummets when he's not hitting 8th.
    Hannigan is the perfect #8 hitter. He will take those walks (including the "pitch arounds) when people are on base and the pitcher would rather face the pitcher.
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