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    Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    Could the Rays trade David Price to the Rangers for a package of players built around Elvis Andrus and Martin Perez this winter? Rosenthal speculates about the possibility, but there’s no indication the sides are discussing a deal.
    What would it take for the Reds to land him? Hamilton and Bailey to start?
    Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    This doesn't even qualify as a rumor.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    This doesn't even qualify as a rumor.
    A boy can dream, can't he?

    Imagine a rotation next year of

    Cueto
    Latos
    Price
    Chapman
    Arroyo

    Sick
    Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
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    What would it take for the Reds to land him? Hamilton and Bailey to start?
    My first thought was why would they be interested in Martin Perez as a 'center piece' with his 4.1 walks/9ip and 4.9 strikeouts/9ip in AAA this year? He has a good arm and he is pretty young, but those aren't exactly the results you want to see from someone who is one of the main parts to a trade for a legit ace.

    My guess is that it would take a Major League starter (position or pitcher) and several top prospects.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    It'd be cool to get him, but I don't think we necessarily need him. If we could get him without trading Billy Hamilton, I'd be interested, but we likely couldn't. I also wouldn't trade Mesoraco or Frazier for him. Not sure the Rays are a fit anymore.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    It'd be cool to get him, but I don't think we necessarily need him. If we could get him without trading Billy Hamilton, I'd be interested, but we likely couldn't. I also wouldn't trade Mesoraco or Frazier for him. Not sure the Rays are a fit anymore.
    Agree with this, although I'd have to at least consider a deal for Frazier or Mez.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Agree with this, although I'd have to at least consider a deal for Frazier or Mez.
    Not me. Those guys will be starting players for us for years to come that we don't have replacements for, IMO.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
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    What would it take for the Reds to land him? Hamilton and Bailey to start?
    With Upton likely leaving via FA, I believe they'll need a CF in addition to a SS. So how about giving them their choice of:

    Stubbs/Heisey
    Bailey/Leake
    Cozart/DiDi

    and whatever prospect they want not named Hamilton or Stephenson for David Price.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price. Next year's team will cost $80-90M, and provided they stay together, every team after that will cost a little bit more. And if you thought it decimated the farm to obtain Latos, just imagine how much Price would cost. Plus I think the competition for Price would be much higher, which could drive the price up even more.

    Here's next year's team and salaries:
    17.00 Joey Votto
    10.00 Brandon Phillips
    8.00 Bronson Arroyo
    7.50 Jay Bruce
    7.40 Johnny Cueto
    4.50 Sean Marshall
    3.10 Nick Masset
    2.05 Ryan Hanigan
    2.00 Aroldis Chapman
    1.20 Jose Arredondo
    0.50 Zack Cozart
    0.50 Todd Frazier
    0.50 Sam LeCure
    0.50 Devin Mesoraco
    0.50 Xavier Paul
    65.25

    arb Homer Bailey
    arb Bill Bray
    arb Chris Heisey
    arb Mat Latos
    arb Mike Leake
    arb Logan Ondrusek
    arb Alfredo Simon
    arb Drew Stubbs
    arb Wilson Valdez

    Bill Bray non-tendered
    call up Henry Rodriguez (or sign a cheap veteran version of him)
    re-sign Ryan Ludwick

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price.
    No disrespect, but the Reds might be able to afford him.. it kind of depends.
    He made 4.35 million this year, and is eligible for arbitration. I think it's his first year of arb.. I guess it's a crapshoot what his salary will be, but if the Reds got him, they could trade Homer for some salary relief.

    Going deep into the playoffs makes a team a lot of money.

    That said, I kind of think it's a pipe dream to get Price.

    Just one of Leake/Homer obviously is not going to get it done.
    I'm also reluctant to trade Mez, Frasier or Cozart.
    Maybe I'm nuts, but I would be hesitant to trade Stubbs as well (I really did not enjoy all those years of running out replacement level CFers)
    I don't want to trade Billy Hamilton either.
    Doesn't leave much to send to Tampa, does it?

    I imagine some big spending team is going to empty out their farm for Price if he's available.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    No disrespect, but the Reds might be able to afford him.. it kind of depends.
    He made 4.35 million this year, and is eligible for arbitration. I think it's his first year of arb.. I guess it's a crapshoot what his salary will be, but if the Reds got him, they could trade Homer for some salary relief.

    Going deep into the playoffs makes a team a lot of money.

    That said, I kind of think it's a pipe dream to get Price.

    Just one of Leake/Homer obviously is not going to get it done.
    I'm also reluctant to trade Mez, Frasier or Cozart.
    Maybe I'm nuts, but I would be hesitant to trade Stubbs as well (I really did not enjoy all those years of running out replacement level CFers)
    I don't want to trade Billy Hamilton either.
    Doesn't leave much to send to Tampa, does it?

    I imagine some big spending team is going to empty out their farm for Price if he's available.
    Why would the Rays trade David Price if they're getting very little salary relief? And Price will be eligible for his 2nd year of arbitration, and I'd be shocked if he didn't get at least $5MM next year.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Why would the Rays trade David Price if they're getting very little salary relief? And Price will be eligible for his 2nd year of arbitration, and I'd be shocked if he didn't get at least $5MM next year.
    Solid points.. I do think the trade is a pipe dream, because another team will ante up more prospects/rookies than the Reds will.

    I guess I was just speaking hypothetically.. Maybe Homer doesn't go to the Rays, but he could easily be traded to another club for prospects.

    If for some reason, the Reds were able to put together a package of prospects for Price, they could probably fit him into the budget, at least for 2-3 years. That was the only point I was trying to make.
    Sure, the core team is getting more expensive, but after 2013, Masset and Arroyo are likely gone..
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price. Next year's team will cost $80-90M, and provided they stay together, every team after that will cost a little bit more. And if you thought it decimated the farm to obtain Latos, just imagine how much Price would cost. Plus I think the competition for Price would be much higher, which could drive the price up even more.
    The Reds couldn't afford Joey Votto.
    After Votto, the Reds couldn't afford Brandon Phillips.
    Sorry, but I don't think anyone is equipped to make that statement- at least not for a guy who will likely make less than $10MM for the next two years.

    They might not be able to "afford" the prospects that it may cost to get him (ie Hamilton and/or Stephenson), but I don't think anyone can say definitively that the Reds "flat-out can't afford" anyone on a payroll basis, especially a guy who is currently making $4MM.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price. Next year's team will cost $80-90M, and provided they stay together, every team after that will cost a little bit more. And if you thought it decimated the farm to obtain Latos, just imagine how much Price would cost. Plus I think the competition for Price would be much higher, which could drive the price up even more.

    Here's next year's team and salaries:
    17.00 Joey Votto
    10.00 Brandon Phillips
    8.00 Bronson Arroyo
    7.50 Jay Bruce
    7.40 Johnny Cueto
    4.50 Sean Marshall
    3.10 Nick Masset
    2.05 Ryan Hanigan
    2.00 Aroldis Chapman
    1.20 Jose Arredondo
    0.50 Zack Cozart
    0.50 Todd Frazier
    0.50 Sam LeCure
    0.50 Devin Mesoraco
    0.50 Xavier Paul
    65.25

    arb Homer Bailey
    arb Bill Bray
    arb Chris Heisey
    arb Mat Latos
    arb Mike Leake
    arb Logan Ondrusek
    arb Alfredo Simon
    arb Drew Stubbs
    arb Wilson Valdez

    Bill Bray non-tendered
    call up Henry Rodriguez (or sign a cheap veteran version of him)
    re-sign Ryan Ludwick
    Rolen and Cairo come off the books at season's end.
    Arroyo comes off after 2013.
    I think Masset will be hitting the road this offseason by trade.
    Bray will be more than likely be gone.
    I could see Bailey traded in either this offseason or the next. His pitching doesn't fly well in a small confines of GABP. Alot will depend on the development of Corcino and Cingrani.
    I really see Stubbs being dealt this offseason too, or maybe the next if Hamilton appears ready. How hard is it to replace a .225 hitting CFer?
    Heisey might finally be dealt. Xavier Paul may be signed as that utility OFer.
    I see H-Rod or Gregorius filling the Cairo role next season.

    This upcoming offseason could be really interesting.

    And I thought I read that a new TV deal is forthcoming in 2014 which should be a pretty good financial upgrade to the old deal.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    What could you see getting in return for Stubbs? I'd imagine his stock is way down right now.
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