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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Well, because David Price is essentially what you hope that guy waiting in the wings can be one day, but he won't be that in 2013. He won't be that in 2014. Chapman isn't going to be able to have a full seasons work load of innings for several years if the Reds treat him like everyone else and gradually ramp him up.
    He could be that in 2014. They could get him 150-160 innings next season and then he'd be able to pitch 200 in the following year.

    Not really that difficult. The plan was for Chapman to go 150 this year. It would only take an additional year to build him up to a full season.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    He could be that in 2014. They could get him 150-160 innings next season and then he'd be able to pitch 200 in the following year.

    Not really that difficult. The plan was for Chapman to go 150 this year. It would only take an additional year to build him up to a full season.
    So he could be at 180 in 2014, but worthless in the playoffs because he would be shut down.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    So he could be at 180 in 2014, but worthless in the playoffs because he would be shut down.
    You're assuming they only jump him 30 innings. There's no guarantee it wouldn't be higher. You're also assuming they wouldn't take steps to stretch him out longer.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Chapman started in Cuba. And he isn't some 21 year old pup. We can't be reckless with his innings increase, but I see no reason he can't throw 200 innings in 2014.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    You're assuming they only jump him 30 innings. There's no guarantee it wouldn't be higher. You're also assuming they wouldn't take steps to stretch him out longer.
    Yes, we are (thankfully) not the Washington Nationals.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    Yes, we are (thankfully) not the Washington Nationals.
    Actually, we have been just like them in the past for the most part, limiting guys to 30 inning increases. It is the smart thing to do and teams know it. That is why they almost all do it.

    And yes, Chapman started in Cuba. He topped out at 125 innings pitched in a single season.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Well, because David Price is essentially what you hope that guy waiting in the wings can be one day, but he won't be that in 2013. He won't be that in 2014. Chapman isn't going to be able to have a full seasons work load of innings for several years if the Reds treat him like everyone else and gradually ramp him up.

    Exactly. And Price is price controlled for a couple years yet. The price I'd be worried about is the price in prospects. I'd be willing to start a discussion with Chapman actually for the reason Doug stated. Then add one or two prospects.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    Actually, we have been just like them in the past for the most part, limiting guys to 30 inning increases. It is the smart thing to do and teams know it. That is why they almost all do it.

    And yes, Chapman started in Cuba. He topped out at 125 innings pitched in a single season.
    Like everything in life, there are exceptions. The Reds use it as a general guideline, not a hard-and-fast rule.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Actually, we have been just like them in the past for the most part, limiting guys to 30 inning increases. It is the smart thing to do and teams know it. That is why they almost all do it.

    And yes, Chapman started in Cuba. He topped out at 125 innings pitched in a single season.
    You'll have to refresh my memory on that, because honestly its alluding me right at the moment when the team has done that.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    You'll have to refresh my memory on that, because honestly its alluding me right at the moment when the team has done that.
    They have limited all of their young pitchers. In the Majors it has really only come up with Leake because the rest of the guys had a good base to work with from their minor league time. But they limit minor leaguers every year so they don't increase their workload. Just like every other team in baseball does. Just like the Reds were going to do this year had they stuck with their original plan to use Chapman as a starter.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    They have limited all of their young pitchers. In the Majors it has really only come up with Leake because the rest of the guys had a good base to work with from their minor league time. But they limit minor leaguers every year so they don't increase their workload. Just like every other team in baseball does. Just like the Reds were going to do this year had they stuck with their original plan to use Chapman as a starter.
    Well sure, but those have been minor leaguers, not a player they would consider a major contributor to a winning team.

    I would be willing to bet anything that the Reds would not shut down a successful Chapman during a pennant run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    They have limited all of their young pitchers. In the Majors it has really only come up with Leake because the rest of the guys had a good base to work with from their minor league time. But they limit minor leaguers every year so they don't increase their workload. Just like every other team in baseball does. Just like the Reds were going to do this year had they stuck with their original plan to use Chapman as a starter.
    I think it's fair to say there's a lot more latitude with exceptions in the majors than there is in the minors. In development, there's no reason for a major league club to push it too hard as the player isn't likely ready to contribute for a few years anyhow. But in the majors, when you have a talent like Chapman, there's going to naturally be more wiggle room on that because the player is helping a club win now.

    Stephen Strasburg is a case in point. He pitched 120 innings combined between minors & majors in 2010, and only pitched 48 innings last year before his injury. He's currently on pace for about 180 innings then they're likely to either shut him down or pitch him out of the pen in the playoffs. Regardless, he's going to wind up jumping up at least 50-60 innings from his previous career high.

    As I said, with everything in life, there are exceptions. Thirty innings is a guideline, not a rule. And clubs would be much more likely to go over that number in the majors than in the minors when developing players.
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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    What a disgrace for a team that deserves some great fan support. The AL wild card leading Rays, making a run at the AL East lead, had less than 10K last night and barely hit 10K tonight...

    Rays will probably have to deal Price in the offseason due to cost cutting. No later than end of 2013 at the latest.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

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    What a disgrace for a team that deserves some great fan support. The AL wild card leading Rays, making a run at the AL East lead, had less than 10K last night and barely hit 10K tonight...

    Rays will probably have to deal Price in the offseason due to cost cutting. No later than end of 2013 at the latest.
    It is a shame. I like the Rays and was glad when they turned it all around a few years ago. Hate to see that little support for them down there, but they really need a new stadium in a better location. I've only been to Tampa once and even I know the Trop is a pain to get to.

    Sad part is, that location might not be in Tampa or Florida at all.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

    Yes the Trop is in a horrible location, but still it is ridiculous. The stadium needs to be out off I-4 NEast towards Orlando or in downtown Tampa. But 10K for a team this exciting with the track record of winning over the last 4-5 years is inexcusable.

    And to think the SF Giants were about to pack up shop and move to that complete debacle of a situation.


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