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    Four double digit winners in the rotation

    I realize that wins are a somewhat arbitrary statistic for pitchers, so take this with a grain of salt. But I just saw when scanning the team stats today that after last night the reds have four SP with double-digit totals:

    Cueto 16
    Latos 10
    Bailey 10
    Arroyo 10

    I've been following the Reds for about 25 years now, and I can't remember the last time anything close to this happened. Heck, I remember when it was rather exciting to get one 13-15 game winner -- and now the team has a chance to have four of them in one season!

    Perhaps this is meaningless relative to other stats -- but since I had no idea what ERA+ or FIP were in the 1980s or 1990s, or even the early 2000s, this is the sort of information that helps me put this team in perspective. Something special is going on here.

    Can anyone else name a season since the 1970s when the team had four double-digit winners in the rotation? *ahem* (I'm not in a position right now to do the necessary legwork).
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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    1990 if you include Charlton.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    It's a pretty meaningless stat because there are tons of other stats that tell us a lot more about a pitcher's ability, but wins are important to the players. So in that regard, I think it's pretty cool.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Doing the research, a lot of that likely has to do with the stability.

    1987 had 3 starters with 10 and one with 9. Without cheating, who are they?

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    1999 was close. They had 16-11-9-9 for the top 4 starters.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    It's a pretty meaningless stat because there are tons of other stats that tell us a lot more about a pitcher's ability, but wins are important to the players. So in that regard, I think it's pretty cool.
    Dear God. I think the War Against Wins needs to settle down a bit.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Doing the research, a lot of that likely has to do with the stability.

    1987 had 3 starters with 10 and one with 9. Without cheating, who are they?
    Did not look, and I am gonna guess Danny Jackson, Tom Browning, Mario Soto, and Ron Robinson. In the back of my mind I think I am wrong. I will now go an look it up.
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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by tommycash View Post
    Did not look, and I am gonna guess Danny Jackson, Tom Browning, Mario Soto, and Ron Robinson. In the back of my mind I think I am wrong. I will now go an look it up.
    Yep, I was wrong. Forgot we didn't have Jackson then. Also, Soto was pretty much done in 1987.
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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    1976...Gullett, Nolan, Zachary, Norman, Billingham and Alcala.
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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    1975..Gullett, Billingham, Nolan, Norman, Darcy, Kirby
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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Dear God. I think the War Against Wins needs to settle down a bit.
    What?? I said I thought it was pretty cool? The OP was the first to mention the "meaningless" nature of the stat. So how did my post deserve a "Dear God"?

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    1987: Gullickson, Browning, Robinson, Soto?


    Edit: Hey, 2 out of 4 from 25 years ago (when I was 9) ain't too bad
    Last edited by CarolinaRedleg; 08-23-2012 at 10:31 AM.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    What?? I said I thought it was pretty cool? The OP was the first to mention the "meaningless" nature of the stat. So how did my post deserve a "Dear God"?
    It sounded a bit facetious.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    It sounded a bit facetious.
    It wasn't.

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    Re: Four double digit winners in the rotation

    We noticed this last night and I thought it was pretty cool.
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