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    Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    Mike Trout is currently hitting .343/.407/.603.

    That's obviously great, but not all that uncommon. In the history of baseball, there have been 224 player seasons in which a player hit at least .300/.400/.600 while qualifying for the batting title, if we include Trout.

    But how many of those guys played CF? Just 28 of those seasons were put up by guys who played 50% of their games in CF. Those 28 seasons were put up by just 14 players.

    Trout
    Edmonds
    Giles
    Griffey
    Lynn
    Mantle
    Snider
    Mays
    DiMaggio
    Averill
    Wilson
    Simmons
    Speaker
    Cobb

    Wow, what a list. But, oh yeah, Trout is also leading the league in SB with 39. Including Trout, in just 4 of those seasons did the guy steal at least 20 bases and 40 just twice -- Trout will soon make it 3.

    Those seasons were Willie Mays in 1957 at age 26 and Ty Cobb in 1911 at age 24. Mike Trout is 20.

    I'm not saying this is one of the greatest seasons ever (though I certainly could), but at minimum this is one of the most well-rounded seasons in the history of baseball. And it's being done by a 20 year old rookie.

    I know Trout is getting hype. But however much he's getting, it's not enough.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-23-2012 at 07:20 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    I don't think you need to hedge it. He is having one of the greatest seasons ever.
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    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Don't forget about the very good defense too (and some of the awesome catches he's made).

    Despite what some have claimed, I don't see Harper ever being as good as Trout.

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    Is this the surest a rookie has looked like a HOF candidate, provided he doesn't get injured or abducted by aliens or something?
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Is this the surest a rookie has looked like a HOF candidate, provided he doesn't get injured or abducted by aliens or something?
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    Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate39 View Post
    Ichiro
    Special case for him, IMO. Trout is different.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate39 View Post
    Ichiro
    But Ichiro is an alien.
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    Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    But Ichiro is an alien.
    He also appears to have the ability to clone himself, which is weird and bad.

    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    I don't think you need to hedge it. He is having one of the greatest seasons ever.
    I only hesitated to make the claim because I hadn't looked at the data that way. However, I went to B-R and took the top 200 rWAR seasons of all-time (by position players). Using that, Trout comes in at #139 as of today. Projected to the end of the season, he's in the 15-20 range with a WAR around 11.0.

    Of course, he missed the first month of the season. If you standardized performances to WAR per 600 plate appearances, here's your top 10.

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    Rk	Player			Age	Year	Tm	rWAR/600
    1	Babe Ruth		28	1923	NYY	11.8
    2	Barry Bonds		37	2002	SFG	11.4
    3	Babe Ruth		25	1920	NYY	11.3
    4	Rogers Hornsby		28	1924	STL	11.2
    5	Mike Trout		20	2012	LAA	11.1
    6	Babe Ruth		26	1921	NYY	10.9
    7	George Brett		27	1980	KCR	10.8
    8	Babe Ruth		24	1919	BOS	10.7
    9	Mickey Mantle		25	1957	NYY	10.7
    10	Carl Yastrzemski	27	1967	BOS	10.6
    Note, this doesn't give The Babe credit for pitching, so he's probably missing a few years on this list. But yeah, by the end of the year, if he keeps it up, Trout will have had one of the greatest seasons of all time. Notice that this list has 8 guys between the ages of 24-28, one guy who was roided out of his mind at age 37 and Mike Trout, who is 20.

    Trout is probably having a a "lucky" year -- e.g. putting up results that are higher than his "true talent". But the same can be said of everybody on that list. If there's a guy who looked like a HOFer, it's him.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-23-2012 at 07:37 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Is this the surest a rookie has looked like a HOF candidate, provided he doesn't get injured or abducted by aliens or something?

    Junior.
    Don't get me wrong, Junior's 1989 season was no where near Trout's season this year, but the kid did generate a lot of excitement upon his arrival. His lineage did help.

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    I am not even sure this is the best age 20 season in baseball history, or even my lifetime. Different environment of course, but Arod did hit .358/.414/.631 with a league leading 141 runs scored, 123 RBI, 54 doubles, a triple and 36 home runs while playing shortstop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I am not even sure this is the best age 20 season in baseball history, or even my lifetime. Different environment of course, but Arod did hit .358/.414/.631 with a league leading 141 runs scored, 123 RBI, 54 doubles, a triple and 36 home runs while playing shortstop.
    Missed that. I would be inclined to agree, but I would like to see those numbers in a more neutral run scoring environment.

    Also, gotta question if A-Rod ever did any of it clean.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Is this the surest a rookie has looked like a HOF candidate, provided he doesn't get injured or abducted by aliens or something?
    "Johnny Bench. A Hall of Famer for sure." Ted Williams.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Missed that. I would be inclined to agree, but I would like to see those numbers in a more neutral run scoring environment.

    Also, gotta question if A-Rod ever did any of it clean.
    Even assuming he was completely clean, the run environment was a huge deal. Just looking at a quick proxy, ARod's OPS+ was 161. Trout is at 182.

    From an overall "runs produced" standpoint, ARod likely had the better season. But if you care about production above replacement, it wasn't.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-23-2012 at 09:36 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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