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    2013: Looking ahead

    You guys know I love to look ahead. Since the minor league season ends in two weeks I thought we could start looking into next year.

    First off, fringe guys who will be out of options:
    Todd Redmond
    Jordan Smith
    Chris Valaika

    Players eligible for Rule V draft:
    Daniel Corcino
    Yorman Rodriguez
    Nick Christiani
    Juan Duran
    Mark Fleury
    Josh Fellhauer
    Tim Crabbe
    Mark Serrano
    Ismael Guillon
    Brian Pearl

    Then upcoming Free Agents:

    AAA
    Carlos Fisher
    Sean Gallagher
    Tim Gustafson
    Chad Reineke
    Tanekoa Texeira
    Travis Webb
    Corky Miller
    Brian Peacock
    Mike Costanzo
    Willie Harris

    Double-A
    Wilkin De La Rosa
    Michael Griffin
    Wirfin Obispo
    Josh Ravin
    Beau Mills
    PJ Phillips
    Miguel Rojas



    I would not be surprised if Bray or Masset were non-tendered. If they come back and deal in September than maybe not, but I don't think they "need" them at what they would cost.

    So, from there:

    Louisville:
    SP Pedro Villarreal
    SP Daniel Corcino
    SP Tony Cingrani
    SP FA
    SP FA

    RP-Manno
    RP-Freeman
    RP-Hayes
    RP-Christiani
    RP-Josh Judy
    RP-Andrew Brackman
    RP- FA (LH?)
    RP- FA

    C-FA/Corky
    1B-Soto
    2B-Negron (will be ready for spring training)
    3B-Rodriguez
    SS-Didi
    LF-LaMarre
    CF-Phipps
    RF-Perez

    Bench
    Fellhauer
    Puckett
    FA OF
    FA C


    I haven't followed Double-A or lower as much this year so I wouldn't feel confident predicting them as much so feel free to continue it. Go!
    Last edited by cinreds21; 08-23-2012 at 08:51 PM.

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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    Ismael Guillon is also eligible for the Rule 5.

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    Thanks Doug. An intersting thing about Guillon:

    His original contract with Cincinnati was voided due to an injury so:
    "Because he signed a second contract with his original team, Guillon will be eligible for the Rule V draft every year until he's added to the 40-man roster."

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    40 Man Spots that should come open

    1. Rolen
    2. Cairo
    3. Navarro
    4. Negron
    5. Smith
    6. Valaika

    Potential Non-Tenders
    1. Bill Bray
    2. Wilson Valdez

    40 Man Adds
    1. Masset
    2. Corcino
    3. Y-Rod
    4. Duran
    5. Christiani

    Plenty of room on the 40 man.
    Last edited by mth123; 08-23-2012 at 11:24 PM.
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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    Pretty sure Massett signed a two year contract. He's signed for next year. Not a non-tender candidate.

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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Pretty sure Massett signed a two year contract. He's signed for next year. Not a non-tender candidate.
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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    Free agent/non-tendered/declined option/out of options:
    Luis Atilano
    Drew Brackman
    (?)Bill Bray
    Jonathan Broxton
    Miguel Cairo
    Mike Costanzo
    Wilkin De La Rosa
    James Ewing
    Carlos Fisher
    Sean Gallagher
    Mike Griffin
    Tim Gustafson
    Willie Harris
    Josh Judy
    (?)Ryan Ludwick
    Ryan Madson
    Corky Miller
    Dioner Navarro
    Wirfin Obispo
    Will Ohman
    Brian Peacock
    P.J. Phillips
    Josh Ravin
    Todd Redmond
    Chad Reineke
    Miguel Rojas
    Scott Rolen
    Jordan Smith
    Kanekoa Texeira
    Chris Valaika
    (?)Wilson Valdez
    Niko Vasquez
    Travis Webb

    Eligible for the rule 5 draft:
    Jesus Adames
    Junior Arias
    Theo Bowe
    Nick Christiani
    Carlos Contreras
    Dan Corcino
    Jonathan Correa
    Tim Crabbe
    Juan Duran
    Wilfrel Estevez
    Josh Fellhauer
    Mark Fleury
    Justin Freeman
    Stalin Gerson
    Yovan Gonzalez
    Ismael Guillon
    Blaine Howell
    Travis Mattair
    Andrew Means
    Beau Mills
    Curt Partch
    Brian Pearl
    Cody Puckett
    Radhames Quezada
    Yorman Rodriguez
    Mark Serrano
    Jefry Sierra
    Danny Vicioso
    Jamie Walczak
    Last edited by camisadelgolf; 08-24-2012 at 01:01 AM.

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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    I'd be very surprised if Christiani was added to 40 man roster

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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    As much potential as they have, I don't know that I see anyone being able to stash Y-rod or Duran on their 25 man roster for long enough to keep them. (Unless Houston is going for 130 losses next year)

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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    So who are the guys who are legit options to be lost due to Rule V?

    (e.g. we all know Corcino will be protected and Guillon, Duran and YRod are too far off to be drafted and held on to for a whole season)

    A few guys that seem like possibilities to me:
    - Serrano
    - Fellhauer
    - Puckett
    - Mills (not a minor league FA?)
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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    So who are the guys who are legit options to be lost due to Rule V?

    (e.g. we all know Corcino will be protected and Guillon, Duran and YRod are too far off to be drafted and held on to for a whole season)

    A few guys that seem like possibilities to me:
    - Serrano
    - Fellhauer
    - Puckett
    - Mills (not a minor league FA?)
    Maybe Brian Pearl? Despite his 7 ERA in AA.

    I won't do lineups for now but here is my best guess of the moment as how the top of the minor league rotations could look next year:

    Louisville
    1. Corcino
    2. Cingrani
    3. Redmond
    4. Villareal
    5. Obispo

    Pensacola
    1. Lotzkar
    2. Rogers
    3. J.Smith
    4. ?
    5. ?

    Bakersfield
    1. Stephenson
    2. J.Johnson
    3. Quezada
    4. Gerson
    5. Allen

    Dayton
    1. Langfield (could also jump to A+ especially if Travieso and/or Garrett start in Dayton)
    2. Guillon
    3. Cisco
    4. Moscot

    Billings
    1. Travieso? (could be in Dayton)
    2. Garrett? (could be in Dayton)
    3. P.Diaz
    4. Felt
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    Re: 2013: Looking ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    So who are the guys who are legit options to be lost due to Rule V?

    (e.g. we all know Corcino will be protected and Guillon, Duran and YRod are too far off to be drafted and held on to for a whole season)

    A few guys that seem like possibilities to me:
    - Serrano
    - Fellhauer
    - Puckett
    - Mills (not a minor league FA?)
    Would hate to lose Fellhauer. Looks like a good lefty BA hitter who could make the Reds in 2014 as a fourth or fifth outfielder. Type of bat the Reds could use.

    FWIW, next season will be the year of Corcino and Cingrani. Can see spots opening up in Reds rotation by 2014 the latest. These two will be at AAA and will have an opportunity to become Reds starters depending on how they do.

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    Even though Yorman is so far off, I really don't see them leaving him off. Teams rarely do that to a "top" prospect.

    To be honest, I think it'll be:
    Corcino
    Yorman
    Christiani
    Fellhauer
    and the two maybes are Guillon and Pearl.

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    Pensacola turn over should be high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Even though Yorman is so far off, I really don't see them leaving him off. Teams rarely do that to a "top" prospect.

    To be honest, I think it'll be:
    Corcino
    Yorman
    Christiani
    Fellhauer
    and the two maybes are Guillon and Pearl.
    I would be surprised if they protected Christiani. 26 walks and 30 strikeouts in 65 innings simply doesn't do it for me. The ERA is good, but it is smoke and mirrors. I don't see them protecting Pearl either. If they can bring back Obispo and or Ravin, I could see both being protected. Both have strong arms and can hit 96 (or in Ravin's case, 99).


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