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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    Why is Chapman warming up? And LeCure?
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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I thought we left Wily on top of the car and just drove away.


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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    Elmore singles
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

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    He's been abysmal at the plate this year, I don't think anybody will argue that point. But at the same time, he's been VERY good defensively. So here's the question, why do we have to do anything with Stubbs? It's not like he's hurting us. It seems like he should be, but we're in first place with the best record in the majors...so just how much is he really hurting us with the bat that he's not making up with the glove? Right now, the only change I think that is needed is a move in the order for him (and Cozart), but considering where we are in the season...does anybody really think Dusty will change it since if you look at the standings it seems to be working?
    I was talking about the longer term. I don't know if anything should be done right now given his good defense. Not many good alternatives right now. Yes, he will probably be dropped in the order.

    But longer term, the guy just can't hit major league pitching over an extended number of PAs.

    It's disappointing, I thought he was doing better earlier in the season. Maybe the answer is to get him a platoon partner, or to trade him, or maybe you just swallow your medicine and keep him hitting seventhg or eighth.

    But he gets in these hitting funks which are beyond belief. Just strikes out time after time after time, etc.

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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

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    What are we going to do about Stubbs?
    Have him put down?


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    As I tell my kids, it's not what you're doing that's wrong, it's what you're not doing.

    Stubbs defense is solid. But how much better would the offense be if he was batting 7th or 8th with someone else in the 2-hole?
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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    As I tell my kids, it's not what you're doing that's wrong, it's what you're not doing.

    Stubbs defense is solid. But how much better would the offense be if he was batting 7th or 8th with someone else in the 2-hole?
    The offense would be better, except when the 7th or 8th hitter was up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I was talking about the longer term. I don't know if anything should be done right now given his good defense. Yes, he will probably be dropped in the order.

    But longer term, the guy just can't hit major league pitching over an extended number of PAs.

    It's disappointing, I thought he was doing better earlier in the season. Maybe the answer is to get him a platoon partner, or to trade him, or maybe you just swallow your medicine and keep him hitting seventhg or eighth.

    But he gets in these hitting funks which are beyond belief. Just strikes out time after time after time, etc.
    I agree he SHOULD be dropped in the order, but will he is the question? At this point, I don't think so. I think that once Joey comes back everything will go back to how it was BEFORE he went down. Phillips back in cleanup. It's wrong IMO, but it's how it'll be IMO.
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    SWEEEEEEEP! And this one belongs to the Reds!
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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    We're still good!


    And have as many wins as we did in all of 2006!
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    I don't see a benefit to dropping him in the order at this juncture. He's woefully bad wherever you hit him.

    I'm in favor of Heisey taking over. He's a better overall player, at this particular time. That said, Bruce to center and it gets Frazier in the lineup. I say get 'er done.
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    I just watched all 4 homers on mlb.com. I've had their package all season. Love how you can watch replays quickly.
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    I hadn't paid attention to the schedule and didn't realize we had a day game until we were eating dinner & I checked my phone to see who was playing. It was the 8th inning when we were up just 3-2.

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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    What are we going to do about Stubbs?
    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    He's been abysmal at the plate this year, I don't think anybody will argue that point. But at the same time, he's been VERY good defensively.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I don't see a benefit to dropping him in the order at this juncture. He's woefully bad wherever you hit him.

    I'm in favor of Heisey taking over. He's a better overall player, at this particular time. That said, Bruce to center and it gets Frazier in the lineup. I say get 'er done.
    I look for Stubbs to get plenty of playing time in Houston this weekend. With the cavernous CF they have in the Juice Box, you need someone who can cover a lot of ground.

    When the Reds get back home, you could see more of Heisey in CF, and possibly also see the Grand Experiment of Bruce in CF and Frazier going to the OF in one or two games.
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    Re: 8/29/2012 Reds at D'Backs

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    As I tell my kids, it's not what you're doing that's wrong, it's what you're not doing.

    Stubbs defense is solid. But how much better would the offense be if he was batting 7th or 8th with someone else in the 2-hole?
    Then there will be issues that player x doesn't have proper protection from Stubbs. It ain't broke.


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