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That's a good haul.
No idea what the Rockies would have needed to top the Indians' offer, but if the Reds didn't do a deal because of reluctance to keep prospects -- Mesoraco or otherwise, shame on them.
It's time the Reds stand up and address the things clearly lacking. Top-end starting pitchers chief among them.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Nice pickup by the Indians.
I would keep Mesoraco rather than trade him in a package for Ubaldo.... but I think the Reds could have kept him and still topped the offer the Indians made. You have to wonder though, if the Reds simply having better top end guys (rumored with Mesoraco/Chapman) left the Indians looking elsewhere rather than taking less touted Reds.Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp
I tend to agree they probably could have topped the deal even without Mesoraco, but I would hate to think the Reds didn't do the deal because of that.
At this point, I don't care how good a prospect Mesoraco is or how good he could wind up being (and I think his ceiling is legit), but he's still unproven and it's time the Reds start favoring players that have actually performed at a high level if they want to get into the playoffs again and have success.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
This seems pretty short-sighted to me. Obviously, we all want the Reds to acquire help that helps the big club, but shrugging off Mes would be beyond foolish, imo.
It's pretty much a given that this season is lost, so as long as moves are made that improve this team for 2012 and beyond, fine. But I'm not too broken up not mortgaging the future for Jimenez. :shrug:
I just get the feeling that there's a reason (beyond your typical 'wanting to get better for the future' reasoning) why the Rockies are willing to trade Jimenez to begin with. Guess we'll see.
I dont care, Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. Hes in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.
But this is a move that would help them 2012 and beyond. He's under control for 2012 and 2013... so if the Reds don't want to trade for a rental, and don't want to trade for a guy that is affordable and under control for a few more years, who exactly do the Reds trade for?
Hoarding prospects will never get the Reds anywhere. Each window of opportunity will pass, the Reds will simply find themselves having to sell off, and at most the Reds might dabble in contention once in a while. They still have a good core... this kind of trade would send them into 2012 with something they don't have right now: a clear No. 1 starter.
I understand the reluctance to trade guys like Mesoraco, but sooner or later, unless you're the Phillies (apparently), you gotta part with your top prospects.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Or they could play for your mlb squad...
2010 Mock Draft Selections (picking for Rays)
Bryce Brentz
Brandon Workman
Kris Bryant
Matt Lipka
Rick Hague
Counting on rookies to come up and fill holes right away often doesn't work well.
Ask the Phillies about Domonic Brown. They tried that, and it wound up not working so they traded for Pence and sent Brown back to the minors.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
BTW, for what its' worth, Ubaldo is still pitching tonight in Colorado, at least for now. So apparently the trade isn't 'final'
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Nope, and ESPN is still reporting the Reds and Rockies are talking.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/68...ay-sources-say
Story was updated at 8:07 PM tonight, Cincinnati time.
I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as fast. Eddie Bane
We know we're better than this ... but we can't prove it. Tony Gwynn
So that's what it looks like to go for it. Must be nice. And it's the Tribe of all teams. My goodness.
I really wanted the Reds to land this guy. Oh well.
This is not a done deal, but even if it was, giving up White and Pomeranz seems a little steep.
Does Cleveland plan on ponying up to keep him in a couple of years? They haven't shown the inclination to do so in the recent past.
And what of Ubaldo's health? The Rockies aren't even allowing a physical. Why not?
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
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