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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Heisey's career numbers suggest otherwise.

    1.002 OPS on the first pitch. What part of that is problematic for you?

    Like Tony said... you don't try to make hitters into something they're not. Some people prefer high tops. Other prefer loafers with khakis. Some people like hitting early in the count, others prefer waiting until later. Not everyone can be Joey Votto or Albert Pujols. Joe Morgan had a Hall of Fame career hitting pitches early in the count. Does he have bad fundamentals?

    A hitter should hit the pitch he feels he has the best chance of hitting. Doesn't really matter if that's 0-0, 0-2 or 2-0.

    A walk is preferable to a strikeout, but a good pitch to hit is preferable to the mere chance of a walk.
    With it all, with his first pitch OPS, and his comfort zone, and his preferences, Heisey is a .750 OPS hitter. That isn't good enough for a starting corner outfielder. It is good enough for a good defensive CFer, but the Reds obviously feel Heisey's CF play doesn't measure up to, say, Stubbs'.

    So what you get with Heisey, with his first pitch hitting, with his comfort zone, with his preference, is a fourth outfielder.

    If he were more patient, if he walked more than 12 times through August, maybe Heisey could be an .800 OPS hitter and would have a better chance to be a starter. But right now, with his early swinging, with his preferences, with his comfort zone, he's a backup who is getting a chance because of Stubbs' monumental slump.
    Last edited by Kc61; 09-01-2012 at 12:59 AM.

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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Now THAT was a fun game to go to. :O) I kept looking at the LF scoreboard and grinning at the 10-0 spanking the cards got, and the Buccos down 5-1. Jay was having a ball in RF chatting it up with his friends and family and playing hit the target with Heisey before innings began.

    I must admit though, I owe Mike Leake an apology. It was my fault. I got up out of my seat ONE TIME during the whole game for like 3 or 4 minutes....dinger, dinger. All of the Astro fans around me kept asking me if I didn't need to go get some more food or have another bathroom break, anything to get me out of my chair. No can do. :O)

    Lets keep this rollin' boys right up to the WS title!!!

    ~edit~ And this was my first time seeing that kid Jimmy Paredes for the Astros...he's a total butcher in the field. Wow. Horrible routes, crappy concentration, bad decision making. Yikes.
    Chapman to the rotation!!!! Do it already!!!!

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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic View Post
    Yes it is kind of hard to draw a crowd when you are 40-91 and no one knows who half the lineup is.
    And yet with 30 people in attendance they STILL attempted to do the wave. Just pitiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    Actual bat flying around inside Minutemaid Park
    Yep, that sucker was dive-bombing everyone tonight. The kids freaking LOVED it. They paid more attention to the bat than the game. No contest.
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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    With it all, with his first pitch OPS, and his comfort zone, and his preferences, Heisey is a .750 OPS hitter. That isn't good enough for a starting corner outfielder. It is good enough for a good defensive CFer, but the Reds obviously feel Heisey's CF play doesn't measure up to, say, Stubbs'.

    So what you get with Heisey, with his first pitch hitting, with his comfort zone, with his preference, is a fourth outfielder.

    If he were more patient, if he walked more than 12 times through August, maybe Heisey could be an .800 OPS hitter and would have a better chance to be a starter. But right now, with his early swinging, with his preferences, with his comfort zone, he's a backup who is getting a chance because of Stubbs' monumental slump.

    He's not a starting corner outfielder. He's a starting centerfielder, as of this moment. The average CF, starting or otherwise, has a .730 OPS. So Heisey's .750 OPS would be above average.

    I don't see why it matters where his OPS comes from. Whether it's first pitch or seventh pitch, the bottom line results are what matter.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post

    ~edit~ And this was my first time seeing that kid Jimmy Paredes for the Astros...he's a total butcher in the field. Wow. Horrible routes, crappy concentration, bad decision making. Yikes.
    In fairness, he's an infielder just now making the conversion to the outfield. But yeah, he was awful. I wasn't aware that the Astros infield was so rich in talent that it necessitated moving Paredes to the OF.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    In fairness, he's an infielder just now making the conversion to the outfield. But yeah, he was awful. I wasn't aware that the Astros infield was so rich in talent that it necessitated moving Paredes to the OF.
    That's what I meant, it was my first time seeing him in the OF. The boo birds were getting on him pretty bad after that second boot. I still can't believe they didn't give him an error on that second one too.
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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Apparently the Astros still aren't done cleaning house either. I just saw this on the ESPN recap of tonights game.

    Houston traded OF Ben Francisco to Tampa Bay for a player to be named later during the game.
    And they also did this little adjustment.

    A hearty congratulations goes out to Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus who bid farewell to the internet today as he will be joining the Astros as a Pro Scouting Coordinator
    And this last bit about the Lastros. Ugly stat.

    The Reds have more wins in Houston (four) since the All-Star Break than the Astros (three). Yes, the Astros are that bad.
    Last edited by _Sir_Charles_; 09-01-2012 at 02:25 AM.
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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    He's not a starting corner outfielder. He's a starting centerfielder, as of this moment. The average CF, starting or otherwise, has a .730 OPS. So Heisey's .750 OPS would be above average.

    I don't see why it matters where his OPS comes from. Whether it's first pitch or seventh pitch, the bottom line results are what matter.
    We agree that the bottom line is what counts. For Heisey it's .750 OPS.

    We also agree that .750 OPS would be good enough for CF duty. But Heisey has never been the regular CFer, likely because he isn't a prime CF defender.

    And he's not the starting CFer now. Stubbs started every game in Arizona in CF and two against St. Louis before that.

    Heisey's overall package, including his hitting approach, gets him fourth outfielder status. Last three games he's played LF, RF, and CF, once each to spell Bruce, Ludwick and Stubbs.

    Heisey has the power to be a starting player, and he hustles like crazy, but the 12 walks and relatively low OBP don't help him. A little patience at the plate might help.
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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Err, shouldn't Dusty just be platooning Heisey/Stubbs against righties/lefties? Isn't it as simple as that?

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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

    Reds 100-Home Run Club
    1. Johnny Bench - 389
    2. Frank Robinson - 324
    3. Tony Perez - 287
    4. Adam Dunn - 270
    5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
    6. George Foster - 244
    7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
    8. Eric Davis - 203
    9. Barry Larkin - 198
    10. Vada Pinson - 186
    11. Wally Post - 172
    12. Gus Bell - 160
    13. Joe Morgan - 152
    13. Pete Rose - 152
    15. Lee May - 147
    16. Brandon Phillips - 139
    17. Dan Driessen - 133
    17. Joey Votto - 133
    19. Jay Bruce - 128
    20. Reggie Sanders - 125
    21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
    22. Sean Casey - 118
    23. Frank McCormick - 110
    24. Dave Parker - 107
    25. Chris Sabo - 104
    26. Dave Concepcion - 101
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    Re: 8/31/12 - Reds at Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Now THAT was a fun game to go to. :O)
    I was there, too. Thanks to StubHub, I got a bargain on some awesome club seats behind home plate.

    My entire row was Reds fans. It seemed like 80% of the fans behind the Reds dugout were Reds fans. There were even quite a few Reds fans in the premium seats on the lower level, behind home plate. I would be surprised if there were 3,000 people in the ballpark that night.
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