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    Jones is a pretty good meat-and-potatoes coach. At Wisconsin he might have had a chance at winning pretty well there. But I don't see him succeeding in the SEC. He'll get chewed up and spat out in 3 years. But also make a fair amount of coin as well.

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    Per Bruce Feldman, Jones has agreed to a six-year, $18 million deal. He’ll be formally introduced this afternoon at a 2:30 p.m. press conference in Neyland Stadium.
    A fair amount of coin indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    It seems like the ridiculous sweetheart deal Mikey got for PBS should somehow give UC an in to getting a good deal there for their games...
    The county does own the stadium. But I'm sure the lease lets the Bengals control who plays there. I see high school teams play there but that's a once a year thing, IIRC. What's up with that indoor practice facility at UC? Perhaps there could be a quid pro quo where the Bearcats can use PBS for a few games a year while the Bengals get to use the indoor facility.
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    I'm a little late to this party but whatever.

    As A UC student I don't think PBS is the answer. UC needs to start selling out Nippert consistently before there is talk of that, and furthermore an expansion of nipper would be more desirable. It will be tight however they do it, but IMO they need to knock out the old press box and build a massive 2 tier deck on that side that expands into the food court floor of TUC. you could have that floor just look out into the stadium and it would allow for the use of that facility to help alleviate some of the food and pee line complaints. A 42000 seat expanded Nippert is a much more profitable venture for UC than entering into any agreement with Mike Brown. UC makes no money off of the in stadium advertising or the concessions when they play at PBS. Furthermore a 40,000+ seat Nippert with some luxury boxes is perfectly acceptable in any conference that's not the SEC.

    Secondly on selling out Nipper, look, this isnt Knoxville Tennessee, there are 2 professional sports teams, and 2 quality D1 basketball teams and a host of other timesinks to compete with. Very few people are going to want to fork over their hard earned cash to see Fordham's football team, or Rutgers for that matter. If UC can find its way into the ACC or the Big 12, and win, then there will be better attendance.

    Also, Butch Jones is going to get destroyed in the SEC. His recruiting base is in the midwest and the way the SEC is today makes winning at Tennessee that much harder. There just isn't a good backyard for recruiting there and its not like the 90s and early 2000s where they could reach into the deep south when some of those programs were down. He'll be coaching in the MAC again in 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Alright guys, here is the question.....

    What does UC realistically need to do in order to keep coaches around? Is it the stadium? Is it something else? Obviously at this point in time the conference is an issue.
    I think UC has a heck of a hard time landing the high quality coach with what has happened to the Big East. Not optimistic about UC football right now and I don't know that I blame Jones for going elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    I think UC has a heck of a hard time landing the high quality coach with what has happened to the Big East. Not optimistic about UC football right now and I don't know that I blame Jones for going elsewhere.
    They aren't going to have any trouble finding someone, it's the best stepping stone job in the nation right now, and they are gonna end up in the ACC or Big 12 in the next couple years anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    I think UC has a heck of a hard time landing the high quality coach with what has happened to the Big East. Not optimistic about UC football right now and I don't know that I blame Jones for going elsewhere.
    I couldn't disagree more. The previous head coaches have parlayed their time at UC into jobs at Michigan State, Notre Dame and Tennessee and Butch Jones has left the team in better shape going forward than any of his predecessors. If you're an up-and-coming coach looking to quickly work your way up the coaching ladder there are few better opportunities out there than UC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    I think UC has a heck of a hard time landing the high quality coach with what has happened to the Big East. Not optimistic about UC football right now and I don't know that I blame Jones for going elsewhere.
    UC will be hiring either a coordinator or a coach from the MAC, CUSA, etc. Those coaches would love to coach at UC due to the recent success of the program, Cincinnati is a hotbed for recruiting, there's a good chance we will be in the ACC in the next 3-4 years, it has proven to be one of the best stepping stone jobs to the upper tier type of schools, and lastly, and probably most importantly, UC can pay their football coach about 2 million a year which would be a hefty pay raise for about any MAC/CUSA coach or any coordinator from a bigger school. And if they get into the ACC that salary number could get an even larger bump.

    This is a very desirable job for a lot of qualified coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlegs23 View Post
    UC will be hiring either a coordinator or a coach from the MAC, CUSA, etc. Those coaches would love to coach at UC due to the recent success of the program, Cincinnati is a hotbed for recruiting, there's a good chance we will be in the ACC in the next 3-4 years, it has proven to be one of the best stepping stone jobs to the upper tier type of schools, and lastly, and probably most importantly, UC can pay their football coach about 2 million a year which would be a hefty pay raise for about any MAC/CUSA coach or any coordinator from a bigger school. And if they get into the ACC that salary number could get an even larger bump.

    This is a very desirable job for a lot of qualified coaches.
    The only thing with the ACC is the pending lawsuit by Maryland, which everybody is going to be keeping an eye on. If Maryland wins and is able to leave without paying the exit fee, everybody in the ACC will technically be "free agents". Florida State and Clemson are likely Big 12 bound if this happens, and I wouldn't be surprised if Virginia and NC State get courted by the Big 12 and SEC. One rumor has been Duke and UNC to the SEC as well.

    If Cincinnati gets into the ACC, congrats, but its likely that the ACC will be the new Big East, while the current Big East is Conference USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered View Post
    There's one big difference: Pitt gets to deal with the Rooney family. We get Mike Brown. And Pitt has had their fair share of attendance issues at Heinz field. They guilty of announcing crowds of 50,000+ when only half that many are present.

    I want to see what the plan for Nippert is before I judge if it's a worthy investment. That being said, I'm going to continue my season tickets even if they move their games to a Kroger parking lot. Regardless, the plan moving forward has to be a total commitment to either an expanded and refurbished Nippert or PBS. They cannot choose a combination of both. Nippert costs too much to maintain for two games per year, and UC can't control stadium advertising if they're a part-time PBS tenant.
    You're being generous with that. Pitt is lucky to get 15k for any home game not involving WVU and Notre Dame. That is why WVU didn't get into the ACC we bring too many fans and they didn't want us showing up this rinky dink schools by having more fans at road games than they get with home games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmculbreth View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. The previous head coaches have parlayed their time at UC into jobs at Michigan State, Notre Dame and Tennessee and Butch Jones has left the team in better shape going forward than any of his predecessors. If you're an up-and-coming coach looking to quickly work your way up the coaching ladder there are few better opportunities out there than UC.
    I don't disagree with that, but during that time period the Big East looked like a much better conference to be in. So sure, they are an attractive option for an up and coming coach, but the trajectory they appeared to be on is not the same as was when the previous two coaches were hired. I'm saying I don't blame Jones for leaving for a shot at the SEC and that the conference situation does not bode well for the program in general, and by extension their ability to remain a destination for high caliber recruits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    The only thing with the ACC is the pending lawsuit by Maryland, which everybody is going to be keeping an eye on. If Maryland wins and is able to leave without paying the exit fee, everybody in the ACC will technically be "free agents". Florida State and Clemson are likely Big 12 bound if this happens, and I wouldn't be surprised if Virginia and NC State get courted by the Big 12 and SEC. One rumor has been Duke and UNC to the SEC as well.

    If Cincinnati gets into the ACC, congrats, but its likely that the ACC will be the new Big East, while the current Big East is Conference USA.
    I doubt Maryland thinks they can absolve the exit fee entirely. But if they can reduce it by even half, it's much more enticing for the schools you mention to leave.

    UC fans understand that the ACC is the latest version of the Big East and will be the least of the "Big 5". But there's a gulf in class between it and the Big East for television money and perceived competition level. They also have ownership of the Orange Bowl, which is an aspect not to be underestimated. Television money alone is worth an additional $100 million over the next ten years if UC can find their way into the ACC.

    The UC Board of Trustees meet on Tuesday. I expect to hear something concrete regarding Nippert then.
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    If you're Cincinnati do you put a call out to Jim Tressel's people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    If you're Cincinnati do you put a call out to Jim Tressel's people?
    Yes. Tressel wants to stay in Ohio because of OPERS (Ohio's state employee retirement system) and aside from Ohio State, Cincinnati is the only other major program in the state.

    The show cause penalty could be negotiated with the NCAA, but it would depend on how badly the want to keep making an example out of him.

    I doubt it will happen though, probably be some MAC nobody.
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    OMG I would seriously become a UC fan if they hired Tressell. That would be so awesome. hire him.
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