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    BP and Hi-C both K looking.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
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    Got to start swinging at those borderline pitches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    He's got a 1.85:1 GB:FB ratio. That's 15th in the entire Major Leagues. I'd say that's absolutely the hallmark of a groundball pitcher.

    The homers are because of a 17% HR/FB rate, not because of giving up more fly balls. Only two pitchers in the majors have given up a higher rate of homers to fly balls allowed.

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    A groundball pitcher needs a good ratio AND needs to keep the ball in the stadium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    A groundball pitcher needs a good ratio AND needs to keep the ball in the stadium.
    Every pitcher needs to keep the ball in the stadium
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    Votto the Canadian God of Walks.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Votto the Canadian God of Walks.
    What's an appropriate sacrifice for the Canadian God Of Walks?
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Ludwick flies out. 57 pitches for Harrell after 3.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

    Now when Votto is on base, I hold my breath similar to what I had to do when Griffey was on base a few years ago.
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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
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    Are the #1 and #2 slots jinxed? (I know, they both got hits first time through...)
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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

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    Every pitcher needs to keep the ball in the stadium
    Some pitchers can compensate for a higher home run rate. Mat Latos has the same 23 homers allowed but has 158 strikeouts and other very favorable stats that compensate.

    The concept of a ground ball pitcher IMO is a guy who gets a lot of outs on the ground and does not allow many homers. Such a pitcher usually can't get away with 23 homers at this point in the season.

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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

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    Some pitchers can compensate for a higher home run rate. Mat Latos has the same 23 homers allowed but has 158 strikeouts and other very favorable stats that compensate.

    The concept of a ground ball pitcher IMO is a guy who gets a lot of outs on the ground and does not allow many homers. Such a pitcher usually can't get away with 23 homers at this point in the season.
    You avoid homers by giving up fewer fly balls. You don't have a ton of influence over your HR/FB rate. Perhaps a little, but not much. Most guys generally hover around 10-11%.

    He's giving up almost 2 grounders for every fly ball. If he were giving up a normal rate of homers to fly balls, that number would be in the range of 13-15 homers which is why his xFIP is 3.71. Latos, despite his strikeouts, has an xFIP of 3.83.
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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

    It's almost like night and day between Homer at Minute Minute and Homer at GABP against the same Astros team. I mean the Maxwell homer part is the same but he was much more efficient, more comfortable at Houston than in this game.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds

    Frazier with the EE special. Great pick, and then airmails the throw. Inning continues.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."


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