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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

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    Please be JJ Hoover and not Sam Lecure. I'd like a guy capable of a K.

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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    Chapman's body language doesn't look good. Looks like he's depressed.
    Yeah, he looked odd coming off the field, removing his hat like that. Maybe he needs a new stri....um, girlfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    His average the other night was 96. Picking apart a couple of pitches is cherry-picking at its worst.

    His velocity has been consistent almost the entire year. Even the other night it was only about 2 MPH less than usual, which could be explained easily by normal distribution. Tonight he was mostly sitting at 95/96.

    If he's still having these issues in a week, then it's time to conclude there's something more going on. But off the basis of two appearances, sometimes guys simply go through periods where they don't have their full strength. That's not uncommon at all.
    Examples of this? 5 mph is a big difference on a fastball


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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by forfreelin04 View Post
    Chapman needs rest. He looks sick too. His body language was evident enough. This is why I loathe Dusty at times....guy shouldn't be in there if his velocity is down that much...it's common sense


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    Velocity isn't everything.

    Common sense is knowing your personnel and knowing what, if anything, is wrong and what their breaking point is.

    Dusty is far more equipped to knowing what is wrong with Chapman and when to pull him than fans sitting in front of a computer reading radar graphics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    Chapman's body language doesn't look good. Looks like he's depressed.
    They are people, it certainly is possible


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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    I'm thinking he might be sick - he's dragging like he's got the flu or something.
    might just be freaking home sick...left his entire family. Might be something wrong at home. I'm sure the government was not crazy about him defecting.

    That would still not explain the loss in velocity
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    The thing that really worries you about Chapman is this is three times in a row the velocity is down. If it was one night you could maybe say he couldn't get loose in the cooler weather or something like that.

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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Velocity isn't everything.

    Common sense is knowing your personnel and knowing what, if anything, is wrong and what their breaking point is.

    Dusty is far more equipped to knowing what is wrong with Chapman and when to pull him than fans sitting in front of a computer reading radar graphics.
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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

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    They are people, it certainly is possible


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Velocity isn't everything.

    Common sense is knowing your personnel and knowing what, if anything, is wrong and what their breaking point is.

    Dusty is far more equipped to knowing what is wrong with Chapman and when to pull him than fans sitting in front of a computer reading radar graphics.
    I've played and thrown enough fastballs to know, I've also coached enough high school ball to know


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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic View Post
    The thing that really worries you about Chapman is this is three times in a row the velocity is down. If it was one night you could maybe say he couldn't get loose in the cooler weather or something like that.
    I would just give Aroldis some low pressure outings and let him get his mechanics back. Some pitchers need more regular use or they get things fouled up.

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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by forfreelin04 View Post
    Examples of this? 5 mph is a big difference on a fastball


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    You're cherry-picking pitches. The other night, he averaged 96. It wasn't a 5 MPH difference, it was a 2 MPH difference.

    As far as examples, there are decades worth of baseball at one's disposal to know that pitchers go through periods where their velocity will fluctuate. It's not a static thing. It's not common for it to drop suddenly over the course of a large sample, but over a few games... that's not really uncommon.
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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

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    I've played and thrown enough fastballs to know, I've also coached enough high school ball to know


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    Why aren't you managing the Reds then? By all means... you're a high school coach, I think Dusty should listen.
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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Wile we're debating Chapman's velocity, Hanigan just had a heck of an at bat.
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    Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds

    Hanigan on with a seeing-eye basehit.
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