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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Actually the NCAA ruled that Cam's father DID solicit money -- an allegation that you staunchly denied. And the NCAA basically said that it could not prove no money changed hands, it just could not show that it did.

    You went to great lengths to discredit the initial report by ESPN as being false and not having anything to do with Auburn. But as it turns out, the report that Cam's father was soliciting money in his recruitment was deemed to be accurate by the NCAA.
    Actually this quote is not accurate in it's characterization of details. Since two Auburn-Cam threads reside in the archives, Rather than rehash, I welcome anyone interested in the underlying arguments to reread them and decide for themselves which position maintained throughout those threads was consistent with the ultimate NCAA ruling and which one wasn't.

    For context and to get this thread back on topic, here are the two NCAA statements about it's investigations into the programs in question:

    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA statement on ending of "Camgate";
    After conducting more than 80 interviews, the NCAA has concluded its investigation into Auburn University. The NCAA enforcement staff is committed to a fair and thorough investigative process. As such, any allegations of major rules violations must meet a burden of proof, which is a higher standard than rampant public speculation online and in the media. The allegations must be based on credible and persuasive information and includes a good-faith belief that the Committee on Infractions could make a finding. As with any case, should the enforcement staff become aware of additional credible information, it will review the information to determine whether further investigation is warranted.
    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...+investigation

    Basically the NCAA indicated that given the lack of any credible information regarding allegations despite its extensive investigation of Cam's recruitment, the NCAA could not in good faith continue. This was an exoneration not a "we just couldn't get them this time" statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio State cited for failure to monitor, receives postseason ban
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    The Ohio State University was cited for failure to monitor, preferential treatment and extra benefit violations in its football program, according to findings announced today by the Division I Committee on Infractions. The former head coach also was found to have engaged in unethical conduct for not reporting NCAA rule violations.
    The penalties in this case, some of which were self-imposed by the university and adopted by the committee, include a one-year postseason ban for the 2012 season, additional scholarship reductions, disassociation of both an involved booster and a former student-athlete, forfeiture of almost $340,000 and a vacation of records. In addition, the former head coach received a five-year show-cause order that limits his athletically related duties and applies to any NCAA member school which may consider employing him. The public report includes additional details.
    According to the facts of the case, eight football student-athletes received more than $14,000 in cash payments or preferential treatment from the owner of a Columbus, Ohio, tattoo parlor. In addition to free or discounted tattoos and cash for memorabilia received by these student-athletes, one football student-athlete received a loan and discount on a car.
    The committee also found the former head coach concealed these NCAA violations when he was notified of the situation, which led to his unethical conduct finding.
    “Of great concern to the committee was the fact that the former head coach became aware of these violations and decided not to report the violations to institutional officials, the Big Ten Conference or the NCAA,” the committee stated in its report.
    Specifically, the committee noted that the former head coach had at least four different opportunities to report the information, and his failure to do so led to allowing several football student-athletes to compete while ineligible. Many of these student-athletes were key contributors to the team’s winning 2010 season.
    Following the Committee on Infractions hearing on August 12, the enforcement staff and university investigated additional allegations that had come to light. These additional violations centered on a booster providing nine football student-athletes with more than $2,400 in payments for work not performed and cash. The university also was cited for failing to monitor the booster’s employment of football student-athletes. Ohio State conceded it could have done more to monitor the booster by taking additional steps that would have reduced the likelihood of these violations occurring.
    The penalties, some of which were self-imposed by the university and adopted by the committee, include:
    • Public reprimand and censure.
    • Three years of probation from Dec. 20, 2011, through Dec. 19, 2014. The public report contains further details on the conditions of this probation.
    • Postseason ban for the 2012 football season, which includes the conference championship game.
    • Reduction of football scholarships from 85 to 82 for each of the 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2014-15 academic years. This is an increase from the university’s proposal of five initial scholarships spread over three academic years.
    • Vacation of all wins for the 2010 football regular season, including the 2010 Big Ten Conference co-championship and participation in the 2011 Sugar Bowl. The public report contains further details (self-imposed by the university).
    • Forfeiture of $338,811, which is the amount the university received through the Big Ten Conference revenue sharing for its appearance in the bowl game (self-imposed by the university).
    • Five-year show-cause order for the former head coach. The public report contains further details.
    • Disassociation of the booster for 10 years, including among other conditions, the prohibition of any financial or other support (self-imposed by the university).
    • Disassociation of a former student-athlete for five years, including among other conditions, the prohibition of any financial or other support (self-imposed by the university).
    The members of the Committee on Infractions who reviewed this case include Dr. Dennis Thomas, the commissioner of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference and chair of the Committee on Infractions. Other members are Britton Banowsky, commissioner of Conference USA; John S. Black, attorney; Melissa (Missy) Conboy, deputy director of athletics at the University of Notre Dame; Roscoe Howard, Jr., attorney; Eleanor Myers, faculty athletics representative and law professor at Temple University; James O’Fallon, law professor and faculty athletics representative for University of Oregon; and Gregory Sankey, associate commissioner of the Southeastern Conference.
    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ules+decisions

    This investigation turned out differently. Below is a 35 page pdf further explaining the specifics of the NCAA evidence.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...+public+report
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    Re: Ohio State Football 2012

    This discussion needs to die. Immediately. Nobody is interested in continuing the Cam Newton stuff except you two. If you feel that urge strongly enough, please do it via PM. Thanks.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Where is the pride? Ya popped off and got called on it in redszone tradition. Why not just let it go?
    Auburn is under investigation. It sounds like you have popped off about the veracity of that investigation at this stage. In the grand scheme of life, I could care less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Auburn is under investigation.
    Please follow the mod's request and take it private.
    "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Any word on whether Bradley Roby is going pro?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Any word on whether Bradley Roby is going pro?
    I hope not. IMO, he needs a little more experience and a little more muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Please follow the mod's request and take it private.
    I wasn't in the Cam Newton debate, that was you and Brutus, thus the "you two" did not include me. No need to PM, I said what I needed to.
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    Re: Ohio State Football 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Any word on whether Bradley Roby is going pro?
    Isn't he a Soph? If he is he can't go pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Isn't he a Soph? If he is he can't go pro.
    He red-shirted...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Ohio State Football 2012

    Tweet from Michael Carvell, the AJC's recruiting reporter:

    "I seriously can't believe how many top GA 2014 kids list OhioSt as one of leaders. It's like an invasion"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    Tweet from Michael Carvell, the AJC's recruiting reporter:

    "I seriously can't believe how many top GA 2014 kids list OhioSt as one of leaders. It's like an invasion"
    Love it! Come to Ohio!

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    Re: Ohio State Football 2012

    So that Urban Meyer guy can recruit a little bit huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    So that Urban Meyer guy can recruit a little bit huh?
    I saw this on Twitter, in regards to Urban Meyer wanting more night games.
    Urban Meyer's plan for more night games includes scheduling earlier sunsets. OSU looking into it. #boss.
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    Awesome. Simply awesome recruiting by Urban and his staff. Go Bucks!
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    An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

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    James Clark. Vonn Bell. Dontre Wilson. They've seemingly landed every single guy that was a "toss-up." And they blew Alabama out of the dust for Bell, our only true competition for his services was Tennessee.


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