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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    Not pretty, but a great catch by Jay
    As a ML player I would hate to play in Wrigley 82 games a year.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    I want the Reds to get a new CFer. If they want to keep one of Stubbs or Heisey as a platoon or backup, fine. If they want to keep neither, also fine.

    Stubbs makes sense as a platoon against LHP, but it's really not that important. The main thing is to get a new primary guy for that position.
    I'm still confused. You say Stubbs makes sense as a platoon against LHP (career .353 wOBA), but yet Heisey doesn't make sense against RHP as the other half (career .349 wOBA).

    That's the same production. And unlike OPS where you can argue OBP is more important, you can't make the same argument for wOBA because it's configured to regress the added importance of getting on base. That means the two players against their specific splits are almost identical in overall production. So Heisey, swinging away and all, would theoretically give the Reds the same number of runs in the same number of at-bats against RHP as Stubbs would against LHP.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Reds need to get through Soriano and Castro next inning. Another run or two for the Reds wouldn't exactly hurt either.

    I'm guessing Hoover will get a shot at it.

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    Is there any chance that The Reds might take Navarro instead of Mes to the playoffs? He's got that left-handed thing going for him. Or could they carry three catcher? I doubt that but you never know.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    Reds need to get through Soriano and Castro next inning. Another run or two for the Reds wouldn't exactly hurt either.

    I'm guessing Hoover will get a shot at it.
    Not likely to get runs this inning with Navarro, Valdez and Paul up. Two out.
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    Down 1 run you call back your best pinch hitter to hit a rookie with only a handfull of at bats? Ehh I dunno about that.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    Is there any chance that The Reds might take Navarro instead of Mes to the playoffs? He's got that left-handed thing going for him. Or could they carry three catcher? I doubt that but you never know.
    The old guy that writes for the Dayton paper says that Navarro is a sure thing for the playoffs. You will get your wish.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    Down 1 run you call back your best pinch hitter to hit a rookie with only a handfull of at bats? Ehh I dunno about that.
    Worked. Luckily.
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    Shows what I know. H-Rod on with a hit.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    Worked
    Happens every time, lol.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    It will be Hoover for the 8th.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

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    Is there any chance that The Reds might take Navarro instead of Mes to the playoffs? He's got that left-handed thing going for him. Or could they carry three catcher? I doubt that but you never know.
    I honestly thought they pretty much made the decision to carry Navarro instead of Mesoraco when they sent him to the minors. They certainly aren't likely to carry three catchers, so I pretty much assume it's a given that's their plan.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I'm still confused. You say Stubbs makes sense as a platoon against LHP (career .353 wOBA), but yet Heisey doesn't make sense against RHP as the other half (career .349 wOBA).

    That's the same production. And unlike OPS where you can argue OBP is more important, you can't make the same argument for wOBA because it's configured to regress the added importance of getting on base. That means the two players against their specific splits are almost identical in overall production. So Heisey, swinging away and all, would theoretically give the Reds the same number of runs in the same number of at-bats against RHP as Stubbs would against LHP.
    Let me be clear. I never said Heisey should platoon hitting lefties. I said if the Reds want to keep Stubbs or Heisey as a platoon or backup, it's ok with me. The main objective for me is a new, starting CF.

    As for OPS, it is a composite stat. You can have a good OPS based on slugging. You can have a good wOBA based on slugging. You can be strong in one component part and weaker in the other.

    Many Reds have good OPS, good wOBA because of their slugging. Their OBPs aren't particularly good. But their power compensates.

    I don't want another guy whose power compensates for OBP. I want a high OBP hitter for the team. Even if his OPS is a little less. I want a guy who gets on base more. I think it will help Votto, Ludwick, Frazier, others.

    In Heisey's case, he is a .766 OPS man but his OBP is .316. I think OBP is what the Reds need. So .316 doesn't do it for me. I'd prefer a different type hitter.

    If that's not clear, I'm sorry, I did my best to explain.

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    7-6 Dodgers on a Kemp homer in the ninth. Still going on.

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    So many balls dying at the warning track lately. On to the 8th inning...
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