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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Operator View Post
    Down 1 run you call back your best pinch hitter to hit a rookie with only a handfull of at bats? Ehh I dunno about that.
    They are down 1 run?

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Reds with only warning track power tonight. Fudge. Seriously.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    They are down 1 run?
    D'oh! A 1-run lead. I'm batting a thousand tonight.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    They are down 1 run?
    Up, down, or whatever.

    Magic number will be three or four and the team can clinch at home. I like.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Recently the Reds have scoreed runs with homeruns have not hit one the past 2 games...crazy.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Hmm, lost him to a walk after having him down 0-2.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    that 0-2 waste pitch screwed up his release point...i hate those high waste pitches..
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Operator View Post
    Hmm, lost him to a walk after having him down 0-2.
    Seemed to be overthrowing in the sense of trying to throw it through a brick wall. Hoover's fly ball tendencies an issue here. Hope he gets through it.

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Let me be clear. I never said Heisey should platoon hitting lefties. I said if the Reds want to keep Stubbs or Heisey as a platoon or backup, it's ok with me. The main objective for me is a new, starting CF.

    As for OPS, it is a composite stat. You can have a good OPS based on slugging. You can have a good wOBA based on slugging. You can be strong in one component part and weaker in the other.

    Many Reds have good OPS, good wOBA because of their slugging. Their OBPs aren't particularly good. But their power compensates.

    I don't want another guy whose power compensates for OBP. I want a high OBP hitter for the team. Even if his OPS is a little less. I want a guy who gets on base more. I think it will help Votto, Ludwick, Frazier, others.

    In Heisey's case, he is a .766 OPS man but his OBP is .316. I think OBP is what the Reds need. So .316 doesn't do it for me. I'd prefer a different type hitter.

    If that's not clear, I'm sorry, I did my best to explain.
    It doesn't matter how the ratio breaks down though, KC. At least not for wOBA.

    If the Reds have a team wOBA of .335 comprised of more slugging, it generally works out to score the same number of runs as a team of a .335 wOBA that has a much higher OBP. Your point about OPS has merit, because one point of OBP in OPS is not exactly the same as one point of SLG. But in wOBA, that's already taken into account so it doesn't matter where it comes from.

    Here's an example.. in 2007 Kenny Lofton had a .367 OBP. From what you're saying, this is the kind of player you want the Reds to have. But guess what? His wOBA was .349. That means if Lofton had the same number of plate appearances as a perfectly-executed Stubbs/Heisey platoon, the Reds wouldn't be expected to score any more runs by having that high-OBP guy at the top of the order.

    If you can find a leadoff guy that gets on base 38-40 percent of the time and has a little power to boot, believe me I'm all for that. Heck, I'm all for finding one guy that can have a .350 wOBA full-time, but my point is the production doesn't technically improve any.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Stubbs gets great jumps on balls to his right...
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    I don't see why anyone gives Soriano anything to hit. He'll hack at almost anything.


    And he lives up to his reputation, chasing a high fastball for a K.
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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Brewers and Phils won. Dodgers leading Nats. Cards leading Stros. Pirates lost.

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Brewers and Phils won. Dodgers leading Nats. Cards leading Stros. Pirates lost.
    Brewers might not lose another game...wow they are hot...scary..
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    Brewers might not lose another game...wow they are hot...scary..
    Reds face them next week in Cincy . . . .

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    Re: 9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

    Dang. A seeing-eye single makes it first and third.
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