"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
They had a better record, a stronger strength of schedule and a better run differential. What else is there that would lead someone to a conclusion they've not been a better team than Detroit?
Not sure what the playoffs have to do with being the best team in the regular season. But using the record, differential and schedule to conclude someone is a better team is certainly no worse than saying a player doesn't deserve an award because you're assuming it should manifest itself in more wins from one season to the next. That assumes everything is static and the number of wins are always right in line with talent levels from season to season.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
C'mon, that argument is pathetic.
Even if you don't think Trout is the MVP, you know that he has been a fabulous player this season.
Whether they added a "very good player" or an "MVP", Trout obviously improved the team. Obviously, the team did not succeed this year because existing players from the prior year did not play to their standards.
You're using fuzzy math. Baseball isn't played in a vacuum. Things and circumstances change year to year.
If you want to argue that Cabrera is the MVP because he was better this year, then fine. We'll agree to disagree. But dredging arguments like that up are absolutely frivolous, and really dumb down everything else you say. To suggest that Trout didn't improve the Angels is quite frankly, funny. Thanks for the laugh.
True, and to corroborate that...
While the Angels' roster didn't significantly change, last year their Pythag was 85 wins and this year it's 89 wins. But what's important to note is that the Angels pitching lost almost a half run per game in performance from last year to this year. So the Angels needed to score a lot more runs this year to become a better team (as mentioned, over 100 additional runs), that means that Trout's production may have in fact lived up to his WAR... or at least wins above average (7ish).
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Honestly, I think Trout is a great player. I just think Cabrera is more valuable to his team this year. I am happy to agree to disagree & yes some of my arguments were intensionally silly; but in my defense some of the arguments I received from the Trout camp were at least as silly. Oh, there was the one from HB where it was assumed I just didn't understand how good Trout was and that I just didn't get it; my favorite.
Either way, just having some fun & you are right about my arguments as am I about some I received. Cabrera will win & I, for one, think he deserves it.
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I don't think anyone suggested that you had to make the playoffs to win the MVP-I know I didn't. I said it would be a factor in the voting, and it will. One thing that would really help Trout's cause-win the batting title. If Trout were to edge Cabrera out for the batting title, I think his chances of being named MVP are significantly improved.
The difference is you're picking random targets to create rareness in Trout's case. Trout's power-speed numbers are great, but we've seen plenty of seasons like them. If he were leading the league in HR and SB, then you might be onto something. The Triple Crown has a century of history behind it. It's a thing, and it hasn't been done since LBJ was in office.
It's absolutely fair. If you play more, you have an effect on a larger percentage of the season. I don't count it against Trout, but it should count for Cabrera. If Trout had played as much as Cabrera, the Angels are probably in the postseason. If Cabrera had played a bit less, like Trout, the Tigers are probably not in the postseason. That's not Trout's fault, but it's still factor that bears consideration. This isn't the Theoretical MVP.
First off, Cabrera has been an average 3B by all accounts. If anything, his defensive value has risen. Second, he deserves credit for capably filling a position of scarcity and creating the opportunity to bring in another impact bat. Fielder is not a comparable player. No way in hell could he shift across the diamond. Almost no 1B in baseball could. Most people thought Cabrera wouldn't stick at 3B this season. What he's done is remarkable and it allowed his team to make critical improvements. I don't care if we don't have a metric for it, that's crazy valuable. Cabrera's versatility remade his team.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
According to WAR:
Alejandro de Aza, Zack Cozart and Darwin Barney, among others, have outvalued Jay Bruce this season.
Alex Gordon outvalued Joey Votto last year.
Andres Torres should have been 4th in the 2010 NL MVP voting, just a nick behind the real winner, Albert Pujols.
It is reasons like these that I really don't like using this metric.
I don't think you need WAR to know Trout has been better.
Both players are great hitters. Cabrera might have a slight edge, and played in 20 more games. However, Cabrera is at best a fair defensive third baseman, while Trout is a tremendous defensive center fielder. Trout is also a vastly superior baserunner.
It is a matter of determining whether that defense and baserunning outweighs those 20 games of extra PAs (Trout actually makes some of them up because he bats leadoff). I know I think it does...
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