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    How long has it been...

    since the Reds had four starters go over the 200 ip mark in the same season (I doubt they're ever had five starters with 30 or more starts)?

    Through 154 Games:

    Cueto 210.0 ip (32 starts)
    Latos 197.1 ip (31 starts)
    Bailey 195.0 ip (31 starts)
    Arroyo 191.0 ip (30 starts)
    Leake 173.0 ip (29 starts)

    May just be me, but I find those numbers on their own astounding for a Reds staff
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    Re: How long has it been...

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    since the Reds had four starters go over the 200 ip mark in the same season (I doubt they're ever had five starters with 30 or more starts)?

    Through 154 Games:

    Cueto 210.0 ip (32 starts)
    Latos 197.1 ip (31 starts)
    Bailey 195.0 ip (31 starts)
    Arroyo 191.0 ip (30 starts)
    Leake 173.0 ip (29 starts)

    May just be me, but I find those numbers on their own astounding for a Reds staff
    i remember back in the 60's and 70's, all starters pitched 200 or more innings. But I'm old. I'm too lazy to look it up, but you might have to go waaay back.
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    Re: How long has it been...

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    i remember back in the 60's and 70's, all starters pitched 200 or more innings. But I'm old. I'm too lazy to look it up, but you might have to go waaay back.
    I thought possibly the 50's 0r 60's but I went back through the stat for the years 1940-80. In the WWII years of 1941-43 when they had names like Bucky Walters, Paul Derringer, Johnny van der Meer, Ray Starr and Elmer Riddle they had four guys with 200+ innings and in 41 had four guys with 30 or more starts. Never 5 guys with 30 starts and no club that I could find had any rotation come close to starting all but one of the games on their schedule.
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    Re: How long has it been...

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    I thought possibly the 50's 0r 60's but I went back through the stat for the years 1940-80. In the WWII years of 1941-43 when they had names like Bucky Walters, Paul Derringer, Johnny van der Meer, Ray Starr and Elmer Riddle they had four guys with 200+ innings and in 41 had four guys with 30 or more starts. Never 5 guys with 40 starts and no club that I could find had any rotation come close to starting all but one of the games on their schedule.
    Thought this was an interesting question, so I did a little research. Best I can tell, 1943,

    Johnny Vander Meer 289 IP, 2.87 ERA, 117 ERA+
    Elmer Riddle 260.1 IP, 2.63 ERA, 127 ERA+
    Bucky Walters 246.1 IP, 3.54 ERA, 94 ERA+
    Ray Starr 217.1 IP, 3.64 ERA, 92 ERA+

    That team went 87-67 and finished second to the evil St. Louis Cardinals who went 105 - 49 behind NL MVP Stan Musial and a league leading 2.57 team ERA. Funny we don't hear much about those early 40s Cards when discussing greatest teams ever, but they went 106-48 in 1942, 105-49 in 1943 and 105-49 in 1944.
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    Re: How long has it been...

    mth, not that those were not great Cardinals teams, but the WWII years certainly skewed any easy measure of just how good given the numbers of players that were serving overseas and not in the league in that time.

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    Re: How long has it been...

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Thought this was an interesting question, so I did a little research. Best I can tell, 1943,

    Johnny Vander Meer 289 IP, 2.87 ERA, 117 ERA+
    Elmer Riddle 260.1 IP, 2.63 ERA, 127 ERA+
    Bucky Walters 246.1 IP, 3.54 ERA, 94 ERA+
    Ray Starr 217.1 IP, 3.64 ERA, 92 ERA+

    That team went 87-67 and finished second to the evil St. Louis Cardinals who went 105 - 49 behind NL MVP Stan Musial and a league leading 2.57 team ERA. Funny we don't hear much about those early 40s Cards when discussing greatest teams ever, but they went 106-48 in 1942, 105-49 in 1943 and 105-49 in 1944.
    43 is the correct year, as fro the Cards, their deep farm system gave them more players with deferments than other team and yes the field was really skewed by the war so any team from that era is looked at askance when greatest teams are mentioned.

    BTW the reds also did it in 41 and 42


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