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    Will lightning strike twice?

    If you're like me, the 1990 team holds a special place in the heart. Not only was it a World Series champ, but it coincided with the first Reds' team I watched from start to finish. I had watched the Reds previously the couple years before, but I was still young enough it didn't stick. Fortunately for me, I was 10 in 1990 and I picked a great season to fall in love.

    This team, though not identical, has a lot of the same traits as that team.

    That team was built on a solid rotation, great bullpen, very good defense and a fairly athletic team. Probably the biggest difference is that team was more reliant on speed on the basepaths than power.

    Nonetheless, some startling comparisons:

    OBP

    1990 (.325)
    2012 (.317)

    SLG

    1990 (.399)
    2012 (.414)

    OPS

    1990 (.724)
    2012 (.731)

    ERA

    1990 (3.39)
    2012 (3.39)

    DEF. EFF. RATIO

    1990 (.709)
    2012 (.700)

    FLD%

    1990 (.983)
    2012 (.986)


    Starters

    Rijo, 25 (2.70)
    Cueto, 26 (2.83)

    Armstrong, 25 (3.42)
    Latos, 24 (3.52)

    Browning, 30 (3.80)
    Arroyo, 35 (3.70)

    Jackson, 28 (3.61)
    Bailey, 26 (3.75)

    Scudder, 22 (4.90) (*Charlton and Mahler also started in this spot)
    Leake, 24 (4.75)

    Bullpen

    Closer

    Myers, LHP, 27 (2.07)
    Chapman, LHP, 24 (1.55)

    Setup

    Dibble, RHP, 26 (1.74)
    Broxton, RHP, 28 (2.14)

    Charlton, LHP, 27 (2.74)
    Marshall, LHP, 29 (2.58)

    Layana, RHP, 26 (3.49)
    Ondrusek, RHP, 27 (3.59)


    Food for thought
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    And a starting pitcher with a no hitter under his belt.
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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    that was pretty interesting......the '90 team didn't have Xavier Paul!!!

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by GADawg View Post
    that was pretty interesting......the '90 team didn't have Xavier Paul!!!
    Nope, they had Luis Quinones... Quinones? Who's Quinones?
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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Billy Bates

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Right now....the O provided by Stubbs and Valdez and Cairo is not better than Luis Quinones, Jeff Reed or probably Billy Bates...and that is saying a lot.

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    I thought this was going to be a reach but there are some compelling similarities there. The individuals in the lineups are quite different, but that's nitpicking on my part.
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    So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?
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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    I thought this was going to be about getting no hit in the playoffs lol
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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?
    Xavier Paul, naturally.
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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?
    It will end up,being Stubbs if the the baseball gods have a sense of humor.

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?
    Todd Frazier.

    "Okay you guys, pair up in threes!" --Yogi Berra

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by WebScorpion View Post
    Todd Frazier.
    I would think Rolen, nice note to retire on.
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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Actually I thought this was going to be a thread about Homer's next start...

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    Re: Will lightning strike twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    It will end up,being Stubbs if the the baseball gods have a sense of humor.
    And they do. I've envisioned something akin to this for some weeks now. I know some would pull their hair out (with the caveat that a championship is a championship), but I think it would be great if Stubbs stepped up and played at an extraordinary level. Like this season, it would be magical.
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