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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    That, by rule, is a correct interpretation. It's only subjective as to whether it was ordinary effort. But the rule was correct. Your photos actually help my case. The ball can't even be seen in the first image where Kozma starts forward. He had plenty of time to stay under it (or take a step to the left) in those two seconds.
    Except for the immediately part.

    If you remove that part of the rule, you're right.

    Unfortunately, you can't remove that part of the rule.

    Immediately. Because -duh- the runners need to know if they can risk advancing or not.

    If you don't tell them immediately, they don't know.

    First you said the rule did not say immediately.

    Then you said it wasn't simply for the runners but it was so fielders didn't miscommunicate.

    The rule is for the benefit of the runners, the rule says immediately.

    The discussion is over.

    The whole freaking rule is so a fielder can't drop an easy pop up and double up the runners.

    Nothing else. And if the umps don't call it immediately it defeats the point of the rule. That's why the rule says it twice, to make it clear. To most people who can read and understand the English language.

    If you wish to remove the word immediately, then yes, you're spot on!
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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I've watched this replay 10 times dude. Go to MLB.com and watch the highlight (the 4:59 version). He literally takes his final step back at the 6-second mark. The ball lands exactly at the 8-second mark.

    I don't know what else to tell you except my very elementary math education tells me that's 2 seconds.
    And my very elementary match education tells me that 1:04 - 1:04 can be no longer than 1 second. Whatever.

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Players, umpires, analysts and people who are paid to watch this game, all have pointed out that it was BS call.

    If these were angry fans I'd get it. But these are people who are paid to understand the game.
    You really put your faith in former players and announcers to understand the rules very well these days? You have a lot more faith than I do.

    You're being a little gratuitous though with all these umpires you are saying came out of the woodwork.

    But I'm definitely not the only person on the internet. Here's a USA Today column by Paul White asserting the same thing I am:

    http://www.jacksonsun.com/usatoday/a...CFRONTPAGE%7Cs
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    I'd like to see your elementary math define immediately.
    If you're watchin' a parade, make sure you stand in one spot, don't follow it, it never changes. And if the parade is boring, run in the opposite direction, you will fast-foward the parade. --Mitch Hedberg

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    You really put your faith in former players and announcers to understand the rules very well these days? You have a lot more faith than I do.

    You're being a little gratuitous though with all these umpires you are saying came out of the woodwork.

    But I'm definitely not the only person on the internet. Here's a USA Today column by Paul White asserting the same thing I am:

    http://www.jacksonsun.com/usatoday/a...CFRONTPAGE%7Cs
    Current players.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    So basically if you wave your arms, you can get the umpire to declare it an infield fly on that basis?
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    I'd like to see your elementary math define immediately.
    Why do you continue purposely conflating the definition of immediate?

    "must be called immediately when it becomes apparent"

    is not =

    "must be immediately apparent and called."
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Why do you continue purposely conflating the definition of immediate?

    "must be called immediately when it becomes apparent"

    is not =

    "must be immediately apparent and called."
    I do agree with Brutus with his take on the verbage of the rule.

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Current players.
    In my experience, most players don't actually know the rulebook very well.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Just another point to make...

    Does anyone really think I'd really be arguing for this if I didn't believe it. It IS the Cardinals, after all. I don't want to defend anything for them.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Anybody want to talk about Devin Mesoraco?
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Why do you continue purposely conflating the definition of immediate?

    "must be called immediately when it becomes apparent"

    is not =

    "must be immediately apparent and called."
    If we all have to wait and see if it is routine for five seconds, then it defeats the purpose of the rule.

    You can't decide, fifteen feet away from being caught that it is now routine.

    The fact that he waited tells you it wasn't. Apparent=obvious. If you have to wait until you're sure, it isn't obvious and therefore cannot be called immediately.



    The rule is not made in a vacuum. It has an intent. That SS could not double the runner by dropping the ball on purpose.
    If you're watchin' a parade, make sure you stand in one spot, don't follow it, it never changes. And if the parade is boring, run in the opposite direction, you will fast-foward the parade. --Mitch Hedberg

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Anybody want to talk about Devin Mesoraco?
    Sure, I'm game...

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Anybody want to talk about Devin Mesoraco?
    He hasn't been playing because he accidentally went forward in time back in late August. And when he returned he told Dusty about the Cardinals game and it infuriated Dusty, so he benched Mesoraco for the reminder of the season so as to teach him a lesson about messing with quantum mechanics.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard watching....

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Anybody want to talk about Devin Mesoraco?
    I hear he is being officially detained in a cage in Bud Selig's office by law of the infield fly rule.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.


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