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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard Watching

    Also hometown, if Matt Carpenter were on the reds he would be your starting third baseman. He hit .294 this year in 300 plate apearances and walked 34 times. Thats good for a .365 on base which isn't too shabby. He also hit 22 doubles in 300 plate appearances. If he got six hundred at bats like holliday he would have had 40 doubles this year easily.

    What Matt Carpenter is is a damn good baseball player, not lucky.

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard Watching

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    So now you're telling me Kozma's .236/.308/.344/.652 minor league line in 2752 sample size?
    I have no idea what this sentence means.
    Because if you're not then its clear he's been luck to do what he's don in the majors this year.
    Again, no idea what you mean, but yes, Kozma has had a flukish 125 or so PA. That's nothing unique in MLB.

    Also why didn't Craig play 1st tonight if he's such a good defender?
    Never heard him described as "such a good defender." But Craig played RF because Carpenter has all of 108 MLB innings and 3 MiLB games worth of OF experience. Craig has 742 MLB innings in the OF and 227 MiLB games in the OF. Since 1B is lower on the defensive spectrum, Carpenter was put there.
    Last edited by Rijo's Ghost; 10-19-2012 at 01:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam View Post
    Kozma is not the long term solution in st. louis!!!!!!! he's hot right now so they are playing him. When furcal went down the organization saw they had two mediocre in house replacements for him. Jackson and Kozma. Jackson's offensive numbers in the minors aren't alot better than Kozma's but Kozma was the one who was hot. The cardinals are just riding this as long as they can. IS that lucky? yes. Its also lucky that Frazier put up Votto esque numbers right after JOey went down. Luck is everywhere!
    I can elaborate on why Kozma is playing and not Jackson. Kozma was always projected as a potential starter due to his ability to adjust. And while his minor league stats may not reflect that, his ability to adjust at the major league level is what got him the nod.

    I find it comical that a Reds rookie has a good season, he's a good player but when a Cardinals rookie/replacement has a good season It's all luck. Selective sample sizes, jealousy and fanaticism...dangerous. I'm not saying all Reds fans are jealous of the Cardinals. Just Hometown. He's the epitome of jealous.

    Allen Craig would have started on most MLB teams last year. They played him in the OF so they could get his bat in the lineup. Much like Matt Carpenter this year.

    Oh yeah, regardless of what your selective stats say. Matt Carpenter is the real deal.

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    Re: Postseason Scoreboard Watching

    .223/.286/.324/.610 for Kozma in AAA the last 2 years
    .278/.345/.430/.775 PCL league average 2012
    .286/.359/.448/.807 PCL league average 2011
    .255/.319/.405/.724 2012 MLB league average

    The Red with the lowest MiLB average is .268 for Stubbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    A hit in any major league inning is magic for a .236 minor league hitter that was almost taken off the 40 man roster 5 times this year. .231 hitter in 245 Double-A games and then .223 in 243 Triple-A games.

    Magic or luck, you make the call.
    You've obviously never been to a game in St. Louis. St. Louis gets the best out of its players because the second you get downtown on gameday you are immediately hit with this aura of success. Winning baseball is literally in the air in St. Louis. Always has been and always will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redmore123 View Post
    Dude go watch porn. I guarantee you looking up minor league stats will get you nowhere, at least porn will make you happy for a bit.
    He's whipping up more minor league stats to try to prove his argument now. "In 27 at bats in June, Kozma posted a .221 BA now he's hitting in the majors! Lucky!"

    Here's a news flash. Players who are successful at the big league level make adjustments constantly. Couple that ability with learning from guys like Berkman, Beltran and Molina...you're gonna be headed in the right direction. Pete Kozma isn't the first nor last minor leaguer who will come up and figure it out. Not saying he's a starter now, but he's doing what he needs to do now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    .223/.286/.324/.610 for Kozma in AAA the last 2 years
    .278/.345/.430/.775 PCL league average 2012
    .286/.359/.448/.807 PCL league average 2011
    .255/.319/.405/.724 2012 MLB league average

    The Red with the lowest MiLB average is .268 for Stubbs
    Blah blah blah...we heard it. Players go on hot streaks. News flash...good players go on cold streaks and don't play up to their potential. It's not beyond the possibility for a minor league guy to come up and make some noise. Happens all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rijo's Ghost View Post
    I have no idea what this sentence means.
    Is that Kozma minor league run a small sample size or do you admit that he sucks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rijo's Ghost View Post
    Again, no idea what you mean, but yes, Kozma has had a flukish 125 or so PA. That's nothing unique in MLB.
    3fluke
    noun
    Definition of FLUKE
    1
    : an accidentally successful stroke at billiards or pool
    2
    : a stroke of luck <the discovery was a fluke>

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fluke

    Now we both agree he was lucky then that's settled, now just how many .236 minor league hitters have a lucky or should I say fluke run like that in the majors these days?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rijo's Ghost View Post
    Never heard him described as "such a good defender." But Craig played RF because Carpenter has all of 108 MLB innings and 3 MiLB games worth of OF experience. Craig has 742 MLB innings in the OF and 227 MiLB games in the OF. Since 1B is lower on the defensive spectrum, Carpenter was put there.
    Carpenter is put there because he's a better defender, its amazing you refuse to just admit it when its clearly obvious. Carpenter is the far better athlete that's why he's going to be converted to 2B next year. When they tried to move Craig to 2nd he damn near got killed working the bag.

    How is that I know more about your team than you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam View Post
    You've obviously never been to a game in St. Louis. St. Louis gets the best out of its players because the second you get downtown on gameday you are immediately hit with this aura of success. Winning baseball is literally in the air in St. Louis. Always has been and always will.
    So it is luck then right if the players get magically better just by coming to St Louis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0802 View Post
    Here's a news flash. Players who are successful at the big league level make adjustments constantly.
    Why did he never make any adjustments in the minors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0802 View Post
    Blah blah blah...we heard it. Players go on hot streaks. News flash...good players go on cold streaks and don't play up to their potential. It's not beyond the possibility for a minor league guy to come up and make some noise. Happens all the time
    He hit .236 and what .236 career minor league carried his team into the playoffs and comes up with game winnings hits in said playoffs?

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    Everyone knows Carpenter is the better athlete. And moving craig to second base was barely more than talked about. Carpenter won't be the starting second baseman next season, descalso will be until Kolten Wong has finished chewing up and spitting out triple a pitching.

    And its not luck. There's a reason players love playing in St. Louis. It's unexplainable. Being from cincy you don't understand. I'm lucky because i was born in St. Louis and get to be a fan by right of the most successful team in the history of the National League. That, i will give you, is lucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam View Post
    And its not luck. There's a reason players love playing in St. Louis. It's unexplainable. Being from cincy you don't understand. I'm lucky because i was born in St. Louis and get to be a fan by right of the most successful team in the history of the National League. That, i will give you, is lucky
    We all actually do understand. A lot of players love(d) playing in Cincy and many took less money to play here. It's true of many cities and teams, and it definitely is not more true of the Cardinals than of most other major league teams.

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    I don't know which is more pathetic, HometownHero working so hard to prove that the Cardinals have been lucky in the playoffs, or all the Cardinal fans trying to argue that they haven't been lucky.

    Teams get lucky and unlucky in the playoffs, happens every year. That's why what happens in the playoffs isn't as important as what happens in the regular season. And this is true in every sport.

    Does anyone think that the NY Giants deserved to be Champions of the NFL? Everyone knows that the Packers were the best team last season, but they got unlucky in the playoffs.

    In LeBron's first season with the Heat, everyone knew they were the best team in the NBA, even when they didn't win the Championship.

    I'd come up with the same thing about Hockey, but does anyone even care about it at all?

    No need to argue that the Cards were lucky to get into the playoffs these last two years and lucky to doing well in them. The Reds are a better team and organization than the Cardinals and will be for years, if not decades to come. The regular season proved that. Whatever happens in the playoffs will never change that fact.

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    We're talking about why seemingly average players somehow come up big in st. louis. And the reds benefited from it this year. If it weren't for the cardinals ludwick may never have broken through into the bigs. Hey Hometown why don't you look at Ludwick's minor league stats. He didn't have a great season at triple A till 2006 when he was 27. Youre just bitter. Get over yourself.

    Also you may be a little premature in saying the reds will be better than the cardinals for years to come. Many analysts think the cards have the best farm system in the MLB right now and they are in everyone's top 5. Also, the reds aren't going to be able to afford half of their team in about 4 years. The reds currently have 4 players that will all cost a minimum of 15 mil per year that cost 5 mil or under right now. Maybe 5 depending on what type of player Frazier turns into.
    Last edited by Salukifan2; 10-19-2012 at 02:39 AM.


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