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    Why did they take out Chapman?
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfaninbsg View Post
    No doubt, Rolen botched it but, Sanchez is out on the play, Arias is safe.
    Sanchez doesn't hit the same ground ball you know.

    Sanchez has got just as much chance of getting a hit, plus you've got the walk to consider. Plus Sanchez is a better hitter vs RH piotching than the platoon player Arias.

    Look walking Arias wasn't a horrible play, but suggesting that he should have been walked becuase Sanchez wouldn't have beaten out that grounder is simply managing based on the result.

    The Giants had a better chance of scoring a run with the bases loaded and Sanchez at bat than runners on 2nd and 3rd and Arias at bat.

    That's all that really matters, the rest is window dressing.

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Brutal loss.

    Just the kind of garbage win SF needed.

    Painful.

    PS - I would have let Chapman pitch another inning.

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Why did they take out Chapman?
    That's probably still my biggest question of all these things. Not that I had a problem using Broxton, but why not extend the game with your best pitcher? You couldn't bank on getting the game over in 10 innings there, so I don't see why they didn't bring him back into the 10th.
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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Why did they take out Chapman?
    1) I don't know if he's pitched 2 innings in a row all year.

    2) He just came back from a dead arm

    3) Pitching him in the 10th does not guarentee anything other than he cannot pitch game 4.


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    Do we know whether it's Leake tomorrow for sure?
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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfaninbsg View Post
    You can continue on this game if you want but, the fact remains that Sanchez ain't beating out a weak ground ball like Arias did. Hell, he may have homered, he may have struck out. The one thing for sure is that he's not as quick as Arias and that a weak ground ball doesn't beat you. If you don't want to admit that, carry on, but I'm not going to debate simple facts.
    The simple fact is that Sanchez has a better chance of beating you with the bases loaded than Arias does with runners on 2nd and 3rd.

    That cannot be debated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Sanchez doesn't hit the same ground ball you know.

    Sanchez has got just as much chance of getting a hit, plus you've got the walk to consider. Plus Sanchez is a better hitter vs RH piotching than the platoon player Arias.

    Look walking Arias wasn't a horrible play, but suggesting that he should have been walked becuase Sanchez wouldn't have beaten out that grounder is simply managing based on the result.

    The Giants had a better chance of scoring a run with the bases loaded and Sanchez at bat than runners on 2nd and 3rd and Arias at bat.

    That's all that really matters, the rest is window dressing.
    Again, I'm not debating whether Sanchez hits a ground ball or not. What I'm saying is that Sanchez isn't as fast and IF HE HITS A GROUND BALL he's not as likely to beat it out. Plus, forcing Sanchez to the plate forces Romo out of the game giving you a better chance to score in the bottom half of the inning regardless. I see valid points for not walking him and it's clear that it's on Rolen not Dusty. I would have preferred the walk for the reasons I mentioned above plus the fact that Sanchez has zero post season at bats.
    This is the ol Left Hander rounding third and heading for home.

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    They wouldn't have been in that situation if not for Hanigan's passed ball.
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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
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    You live to fight another day.
    That's kind of the point... they gave the Giants a chance to live to fight another day when it's possible they could have put them down to sleep after this game.

    There's no guarantee Chapman would have shut the Giants out in the 10th, but there's no guarantee that saving him will do any good either.

    The dude was out there throwing 99-100 routinely tonight. I think his dead arm issues are over with.
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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    They wouldn't have been in that situation if not for Hanigan's passed ball.
    Nor if they had fallen ass backwards into a single bleepin run in 8 innings.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Nor if they had fallen ass backwards into a single bleepin run in 8 innings.

    1st inning cost the game. Had a feeling when it happened. The way Homer pitcher tonight, a 2-0 or 3-0 lead would have been money.

    Very disheartening loss.

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    That's kind of the point... they gave the Giants a chance to live to fight another day when it's possible they could have put them down to sleep after this game.

    There's no guarantee Chapman would have shut the Giants out in the 10th, but there's no guarantee that saving him will do any good either.

    The dude was out there throwing 99-100 routinely tonight. I think his dead arm issues are over with.
    This might be a blessing in disguise...They are saying LaCure could start tomorrow. If so we will need all of our bullpen. We could not have a 12-15 inning game tonight.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfaninbsg View Post
    Again, I'm not debating whether Sanchez hits a ground ball or not. What I'm saying is that Sanchez isn't as fast and IF HE HITS A GROUND BALL he's not as likely to beat it out. Plus, forcing Sanchez to the plate forces Romo out of the game giving you a better chance to score in the bottom half of the inning regardless. I see valid points for not walking him and it's clear that it's on Rolen not Dusty. I would have preferred the walk for the reasons I mentioned above plus the fact that Sanchez has zero post season at bats.
    I see merit in getting Romo out of the game, but having a reliever who averaged less than an inning per game go another inning didn't scare me much.

    To me the most importent matter was which situation was likely to result in another run scoring. And sanchez with the bases loaded was the clear winnng there.

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    Re: NLDS Game 3 - Giants at Reds 10/9/12

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I see merit in getting Romo out of the game, but having a reliever who averaged less than an inning per game go another inning didn't scare me much.

    To me the most importent matter was which situation was likely to result in another run scoring. And sanchez with the bases loaded was the clear winnng there.
    I'm not sure how you could say that. Loading the bases would have no doubt opened the door for a big inning but, it gives you a force at home, a slower runner, a chance to go to third with Pence trying to run on one leg.
    This is the ol Left Hander rounding third and heading for home.


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