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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Because the numbers that matter aren't 97 or 98, they're 0 and 1. How many World Series titles did the Reds win?

    So long as that number is 0, there will be grounds to complain about the manager being brought back.
    Which year should the Reds have fired Sparky Anderson? After the 1970 season, or '72 or '73? How about McKechnie? He should have been canned after 1939. Same for Hutchinson after they got their hats handed to them in 1961?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    Which year should the Reds have fired Sparky Anderson? After the 1970 season, or '72 or '73? How about McKechnie? He should have been canned after 1939. Same for Hutchinson after they got their hats handed to them in 1961?

    World Series titles are great, they're the ultimate goal, but the reality is, you don't always win them.

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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Cute. But, if not now, when? It isn't 1975 -- small market teams can't keep windows open forever in this day and age. By your logic, we could join the Cubs in the 100+ year wait club and it would be OK so long as the team consistently has winning seasons.

    Regardless, any manager that doesn't win a championship is open to questions. There's no manager who will be insulated from criticism, and that's especially true of a manager who doesn't have a ring.
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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Cute. But, if not now, when? It isn't 1975 -- small market teams can't keep windows open forever in this day and age. By your logic, we could join the Cubs in the 100+ year wait club and it would be OK so long as the team consistently has winning seasons.

    Regardless, any manager that doesn't win a championship is open to questions. There's no manager who will be insulated from criticism, and that's especially true of a manager who doesn't have a ring.
    I'm a little confused, CE. Last summer, you were taking the stance the Reds should not trade Devin Mesoraco because small market clubs have to keep their farm systems stocked to compete. Now you seem to be suggesting that windows don't stay open for very long, hinting that the Reds should be doing everything they can to win now.
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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Cute. But, if not now, when? It isn't 1975 -- small market teams can't keep windows open forever in this day and age. By your logic, we could join the Cubs in the 100+ year wait club and it would be OK so long as the team consistently has winning seasons.

    Regardless, any manager that doesn't win a championship is open to questions. There's no manager who will be insulated from criticism, and that's especially true of a manager who doesn't have a ring.
    The Reds haven't acted like a small market team recently and they have a fairly sizeable window right now. Teams don't often go from zero to sixty as fast as you wish. There is a maturation process that takes place as well. And if you don't believe that, then why aren't you as critical of the players who were actually on the field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Cute. But, if not now, when? It isn't 1975 -- small market teams can't keep windows open forever in this day and age. By your logic, we could join the Cubs in the 100+ year wait club and it would be OK so long as the team consistently has winning seasons.

    Regardless, any manager that doesn't win a championship is open to questions. There's no manager who will be insulated from criticism, and that's especially true of a manager who doesn't have a ring.
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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Ultimate success is no longer judged over 162 games. Your grade will be determined by the final exam. Success is assessed during the first three weeks of October, when a hot pitcher, a zoned-in hitter, a series of double play balls or a favorable call from the umpire can make all the difference.
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    So let's not play the post-season at all. Just give the team with the best record a trophy and move onward to the offseason.
    Last edited by Caveat Emperor; 10-21-2012 at 11:43 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    So let's not play the post-season at all. Just give the team with the best record a trophy and move onward to the offseason.
    Better yet let's just disregard the teams accomplishments when they don't win it all, that way only one fan base can consider the season a success.

    The rest can just contemplate what a bunch of losers they are and what a monumental waste of time baseball is

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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Better yet let's just disregard the teams accomplishments when they don't win it all, that way only one fan base can consider the season a success.

    The rest can just contemplate what a bunch of losers they are and what a monumental waste of time baseball is
    Willie Mays only hit one home run and hit .247 in 99 postseason at bats. What a hack.
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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Better yet let's just disregard the teams accomplishments when they don't win it all, that way only one fan base can consider the season a success.

    The rest can just contemplate what a bunch of losers they are and what a monumental waste of time baseball is
    I believe they are known as Yankees fans.

    We cannot become the kids on Super Sweet 16, throwing tantrums about getting the red Corvette instead of the black. The former is still pretty cool.

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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

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    I believe they are known as Yankees fans.

    We cannot become the kids on Super Sweet 16, throwing tantrums about getting the red Corvette instead of the black. The former is still pretty cool.
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    On the field, the Yankees are just like everybody else in the postseason. That is, they are susceptible to poorly timed slumps and devastating injuries and egregious umpire calls and rotten scheduling. Their 27 championships and high expectations offer no guarantees of October magic.

    Did the Yankees fail this season? Yes and no. Every team wants to win the World Series, so the Yankees are one of 29 that will fail to meet that goal this season. But four days of astonishing ineptitude against the Tigers should not obscure what came before.

    “The bottom line is very simple: the season ended in a very disappointing way because our goal is to win the World Series,” the team president, Randy Levine, said after flying home from Detroit on Friday. “But the fact of the matter is, despite that, we won 95 games, the best in the American League, and we made it to the A.L.C.S.

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    "There's more to life than winning a championship. There's the magic of summer days at the ballpark. They can never take that away from us."

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    Re: Should Dusty Baker Receive an Extension?

    Between the Champs not being worth anything nowadays and the Champs being the only thing that defines success, I think there is a definite psychic impact from this past season.


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