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    Winter 2012-2013

    What should the Reds do?

    This is how I cope, I'm prepared to move on with my eye on the future for our team. I don't want to revel in the loss, I want to talk about making the team better for next year.

    We can make the reasonable assumption that the team won't be big spenders and if they do dole out the cash it wil be for extensions (Latos, Bailey, Ludwick are all candidates). After the Latos and Marshall trades, I don't see the team dealing too many prospects and leave the farm system barren.

    1. Left Field: either re-sign Ludwick (assuming he tests the market) or find another replacement. If a 3B is available, you can move Frazier to LF as well.


    2. Center Field: unless the FO sticks with Stubbs til Hamilton is ready


    3. Back end of the bullpen: If Broxton isn't resigned, I wonder if they'll bring Madson back cheap as an 8th inning guy.


    Potential targets:

    Delmon Young (too many K's)
    Torii Hunter (aging, may not leave the West Coast)
    Kevin Youkilis (all the same issues as Rolen)
    David DeJesus (the Cubs might have too high an asking price)
    Matt Garza (a package deal with him and DeJesus would be amazing, but expensive)
    Justin Upton (pipe dream)
    Jacob Ellsbury (see above)


    Expected departures: Miguel Cairo, Scott Rolen, Jonathan Broxton
    Potential departures: Ryan Ludwick
    Expected additions: Henry Rodriguez



    This is just an immediate post-game thought....what do you all think?

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Really need a leadoff hitter and a #4 hitter that's not Ludwick or Bruce

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    A CF with some OBP and bench depth

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    I'm intrigued by DeJesus. He only hit .263 but had a .350 OBP. He's lefty and his BB/K ratio is fantastic. I'd hope that he could be had, going into the last year of his contract. And he'd serve as a nice bridge to Hamilton.

    As far as the bench goes, I think Henry Rodriguez is a no-brainer to replace Cairo. Can play three positions well, decent hitter, and is a switch hitter.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    CF is the big spot to upgrade. Ideally a leadoff hitter CFer....we have one working his way up our farm system.

    Then Phillips can take his decent OBP to the 2 hole where he'll be followed by a 100% healthy Votto. After that I'd resign Ludwick, keep Bruce at 5, then Frazier-Cozart-Catcher.

    Figure out what you're doing with Leake because Cingrani is coming up and Chapman could still potentially be a starter. Work out a few things in the pen but that shouldn't take much work. And then obviously get a better bench.

    Try to keep Paul around and so something with Heisey. Stubbs can be a defensive OF replacement if his position is upgraded.

    And I'm out of ideas now lol.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    A leadoff hitter/CF.

    Give Rolen his gold watch and a "thanks for your service" speech.

    Either commit to Frazier as the full-time 3B or go find a better replacement. I'm not sold on him as the answer. Pitchers have figured him out and he hasn't/can't adjust.

    Re-sign Ludwick.

    Improve the bench. Cairo, Valdez gone. Re-sign Paul, Navarro. Add Henry and a couple of free agent castoffs.

    Re-sign Broxton, Madson. If Chapman is headed to the rotation, both would be good options.
    Last edited by Old NDN; 10-11-2012 at 06:34 PM.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    they dont need a major shakeup. They just need to make a definitive decision on Chapman's future and stick w/ it.

    Get a CF.

    They might be able to play around w/ a trade for a CF, especially if Chap is a starter. W/ Cingrani, Leake, and Chap we would have 7 potential starters w/ 5 spots.

    If chap remains a closer, that may not be the best idea. We were really fortunate to not run into any injuries w/ the starters.

    And the manager will be addressed obviously.

    Decisions on Madson, Broxton, Rolen, Ludwick will be addressed.

    Stubbs I wouldnt mind on the team but he has to be batting 8th, coming off the bench and starting <30 games.

    Big offseason w/ lots of action but dont do anything crazy like trade Bruce or something.

    Possible contract revisions for Bailey.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Micheal Bourne at CF would be awfully nice to see.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTruck View Post
    Micheal Bourne at CF would be awfully nice to see.
    Or Victorino.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTruck View Post
    Micheal Bourne at CF would be awfully nice to see.
    Yes he would, but we don't have the cash to beat out teams with money to sign him.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Bourn will be a hot commodity and require a long-term deal with tons of $$$$$. With Hamilton in the pipeline, I don't think they'll invest heavily in a CF. Any change at all will likely be a stop-gap and bridge from Stubbs to Hamilton.

    I like Victorino, as well.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Scott Rolen is preparing for retirement, but will delay any official announcement. #Reds
    https://twitter.com/BNightengale/sta...17931075244034

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    I stickied this because we will make this the official Offseason Reds thread.

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Heres the roster breakdown next year with salaries:
    Under Contract:
    Hanigan, Ryan: $2,050,000
    Masset, Nick: $3,100,000
    Cueto, Johnny: $7,400,000
    Arroyo, Bronson: $11,500,000
    Chapman, Aroldis: $2,00,000
    Phillips, Brandon: $10,000,000
    Votto, Joey: $17,000,000
    Bruce, Jay: $7,500,000
    Marshall, Sean: $4,500,000

    Pre-Aribtration;
    Frazier, Todd
    Mesoraco, Devin
    Cozart, Zack
    Paul, Xavier
    Heisey, Chris
    LeCure, Sam
    Hoover, J.J.
    Cingrani, Tony
    Ondrusek, Logan
    Redmond, Todd
    Gregorius, Didi
    Lutz, Donald
    Rodriguez, Henry
    Soto, Neftali
    Negron, Kris
    Phipps, Denis

    Arbitration-Eligible:
    Valdez, Wilson
    Bailey, Homer
    Leake, Mike
    Latos, Mat
    Simon, Alfredo
    Arredondo, Josť
    Bray, Bill
    Stubbs, Drew

    Option:
    Madson, Ryan: $11,000,000 Team Option, $2,500,000 buyout
    Ludwick, Ryan: $5,000,000 Team Option, $500,000 buyout

    Free Agent:
    Broxton, Jonathan
    Rolen, Scott
    Cairo, Miguel
    Navarro, Dioner

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    Re: Winter 2012-2013

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    Scott Rolen is preparing for retirement, but will delay any official announcement. #Reds
    https://twitter.com/BNightengale/sta...17931075244034
    On his last AB i was praying he would hit the game winner.. sucks


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