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    Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Per MLB Trade rumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    One year offer, per MLBTR.

    Could be designed to allow Dusty to decline, gracefully, and allowing both parties to go their separate way with some dignity intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    One year offer, per MLBTR.

    Could be designed to allow Dusty to decline, gracefully, and allowing both parties to go their separate way with some dignity intact.
    Don't be surprised if this is what is going on. It's the same approach the Yanks used with Torre when they weren't wild about his return.

    Particularly in light of Dusty's health issues, I would not be suprised if they will only offer him one year. I would be also not be surprised if Dusty declines.

    If the Reds were that excited about a Dusty return, they wouldn't be focused only on a "short-term" contract. So that language tells us something.

    On the other hand, Dusty may feel that he is getting near the end and doesn't want a very long term commitment. Doubtful. I think he may tell the Reds, multi-year deal with a raise, or he's moving on.

    My instinct is that this will not work out and Dusty will not return. Just a guess, based on Dusty's comments post-game yesterday, the "short-term" language, and the debacle of this five game series loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Don't be surprised if this is what is going on. It's the same approach the Yanks used with Torre when they weren't wild about his return.

    Particularly in light of Dusty's health issues, I would not be suprised if they will only offer him one year. I would be also not be surprised if Dusty declines.

    If the Reds were that excited about a Dusty return, they wouldn't be focused only on a "short-term" contract. So that language tells us something.

    On the other hand, Dusty may feel that he is getting near the end and doesn't want a very long term commitment. Doubtful. I think he may tell the Reds, multi-year deal with a raise, or he's moving on.

    My instinct is that this will not work out and Dusty will not return. Just a guess, based on Dusty's comments post-game yesterday, the "short-term" language, and the debacle of this five game series loss.
    Same here. These one-year offers have a way of pushing guys away, which ultimately is what the club usually wants.

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    I know I am firmly in the minority but I really hope he returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30 View Post
    I know I am firmly in the minority but I really hope he returns.
    I'm with ya. I'd be fine if Dusty returns for 2013. I think the players respond to him. The grass ain't always greener. Just ask the Red Sox about their Bobby Valentine experiment.
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    Looks like Walt got overruled by Castellini...

    If Dusty does stay in town maybe Jocketty can send Dusty to a remedial managing school to learn about OBP and run expectancy tables. Maybe that will result in some smarter lineup construction and less bunting.

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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Looks like Walt got overruled by Castellini...

    If Dusty does stay in town maybe Jocketty can send Dusty to a remedial managing school to learn about OBP and run expectancy tables. Maybe that will result in some smarter lineup construction and less bunting.
    Maybe Walt can get him some better OBP guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Maybe Walt can get him some better OBP guys.
    This.

    If Dusty is using too many of the wrong guys, then Walt should trade them or let them go.
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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    This.

    If Dusty is using too many of the wrong guys, then Walt should trade them or let them go.
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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    This.

    If Dusty is using too many of the wrong guys, then Walt should trade them or let them go.
    Yep. And I like Walt, but Walt is known as a Traditionalist just as much as Dusty. That's a fact.

    And I keep hearing that Walt, somehow, didn't want Dusty to return, wanted to replace him, and that Castellini obviously has "over-ruled" Walt. Where has that ever been indicated?
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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Maybe Walt can get him some better OBP guys.
    I agree that Dusty could have some better OBP guys. But he could also use the OBP resources he has far better. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Maybe Walt can get him some better OBP guys.
    2008-2012, the Reds OPS ranking has been better than their runs ranking in the NL only once. Shouldn't it be better more often if lineup construction was really a problem?

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    Re: Reds to offer Baker a contract

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    2008-2012, the Reds OPS ranking has been better than their runs ranking in the NL only once. Shouldn't it be better more often if lineup construction was really a problem?
    Giving bad hitters a lot of ABs brings both OPS and Runs down. It seems the order isn't all that important. (that's what you're saying, right?).
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