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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Boo. Reds have no chance in playoff situation against top managerial strategists. I'll say it again: kings of the NL Central, joke of the playoffs.
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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    After living through a handful of managers over the last 10-12 years, I can emphatically state that ANY replacement manager would have you scratching your head six weeks into a new season. Bellyaching about line-ups. Complaining about sacrifice bunts. You name it, the same complaints would rise up.

    The garbage Dusty gets called on is the same garbage every manager has been called on. Go back over the last 15 seasons: Mackanin, Narron, Miley, Boone - all got ragged on for in-game decisions, playing certain players, etc. Jack McKeon was the last manager who got positive reviews - mainly because he had AAAA players and still managed to cobble together a winning record.

    To me, Dusty's return never has been a question of the FO not wanting him back, but a matter of Dusty's health.

    This is not a bad thing.
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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    I'm fine with it. If someone could tell me how a different manager would have gotten his players to hit the ball in the home playoff games, then maybe I could be swayed.

    Hard to argue with 97 wins after the potentially disastrous injuries this season.
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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    After living through a handful of managers over the last 10-12 years, I can emphatically state that ANY replacement manager would have you scratching your head six weeks into a new season. Bellyaching about line-ups. Complaining about sacrifice bunts. You name it, the same complaints would rise up.

    The garbage Dusty gets called on is the same garbage every manager has been called on. Go back over the last 15 seasons: Mackanin, Narron, Miley, Boone - all got ragged on for in-game decisions, playing certain players, etc. Jack McKeon was the last manager who got positive reviews - mainly because he had AAAA players and still managed to cobble together a winning record.

    To me, Dusty's return never has been a question of the FO not wanting him back, but a matter of Dusty's health.

    This is not a bad thing.
    Yep, there is no perfect manager. All have warts, but in different places.

    This thread, and the Dusty bashing is more depressing to me than the playoff loss.

    I almost wish they would have hired someone else, just so I wouldn't have to read the Dusty bashing on a daily basis.

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    If they'd have had a good manager, they would have won 110 games this year. Dusty held them back.

    Okay, I made it a joke, but sometimes I think it's true.

    Good man. Poor strategist.

    1. Low OBP guys in the 1 & 2 -holes. Ridiculous. Patterson. Taveras. Stubbs. Cozart. Give me a break. How in the crap does Votto (when healthy) not knock in 120+ rbi's? Should be a given. It's not with a Dusty lineup.
    Oh, c'mon man. Let's not forget Orlando Cabrera and his .303 OBP in 2010.

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    I'm very disappointed in this, but I don't have much original thought there.

    However, I will say this. Somewhere, Drew Stubbs is on his knees thanking God.

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Dusty meet Billy. Billy meet Dusty. (trumpets sound)

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfan320 View Post
    I'm very disappointed in this, but I don't have much original thought there.

    However, I will say this. Somewhere, Drew Stubbs is on his knees thanking God.

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    Dusty wasn't Drews biggest fan. I'd say this pushes Stubbs closer to the door.

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    After living through a handful of managers over the last 10-12 years, I can emphatically state that ANY replacement manager would have you scratching your head six weeks into a new season. Bellyaching about line-ups. Complaining about sacrifice bunts. You name it, the same complaints would rise up.

    The garbage Dusty gets called on is the same garbage every manager has been called on. Go back over the last 15 seasons: Mackanin, Narron, Miley, Boone - all got ragged on for in-game decisions, playing certain players, etc. Jack McKeon was the last manager who got positive reviews - mainly because he had AAAA players and still managed to cobble together a winning record.

    To me, Dusty's return never has been a question of the FO not wanting him back, but a matter of Dusty's health.

    This is not a bad thing.
    All managers make head-scratching moves. Great managers infuriate fans in their own cities because they deal with the idiosyncrasies on a nightly basis.

    That's not the issue, though.

    Dusty Baker has done great things with this club, but merely winning games in the regular season isn't enough. This team has a tremendous amount of talent, but a limited window in which to make use of it. The reality is that these precious few years may be the only time in the next 10-20 years the Reds have the ability to compete for a World Series.

    Is Dusty Baker the right guy to make that happen? His record in elimination games screams "NO!" His results over the last 3 seasons underlines the "NO!" and puts a star next to it.
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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    I'm pretty indifferent on this. I can see both sides of it. Dusty had a GREAT regular season and made a great move in G1 when Cueto went down. That being said Dusty was WAY too slow pulling Leake or Latos and it cost his team a chance to move on. I'm just hoping he has learned from G4 and G5.

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    I had no problem with Dusty till this years playoffs when he was horribly outmanaged. Having said that I am not sure who they could have gotten to replace him that was that much better. Once Francona went to the Indians it seemed the pickings were slim.

    I do have confidence in Bob and Walt because more often than not they have made the right decisions.
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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Yep, there is no perfect manager. All have warts, but in different places.

    This thread, and the Dusty bashing is more depressing to me than the playoff loss.

    I almost wish they would have hired someone else, just so I wouldn't have to read the Dusty bashing on a daily basis.
    I have to agree, and I don't mind this move at all. Even if Dusty left, the next manager would probably get similar treatment unless things went perfectly. Even Joe Torre got ripped at times for his "x's" and "o's" managing style in NY.

    Dusty isn't perfect, but based on his track record in Cincinnati, I don't see many available better alternatives waiting on the unemployment line.
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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    Boo. Reds have no chance in playoff situation against top managerial strategists. I'll say it again: kings of the NL Central, joke of the playoffs.
    Why does strategy not come into play during the regular season?

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    I can't complain too much. If there were a sure fire improvement waiting in the wings it might be different. As it is I'm pretty comfortable with Dusty at the helm even though his in game decisions make me insane.

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    Re: Reds extend manager Dusty Baker's contract for 2 seasons, through 2014.

    He's one of the best guys in baseball and the players love him. His teams have always done very well in the regular season. This is good.

    His teams routinely tank in the postseason and he seems to have no clue how to tactically manage a do-or-die game. This is bad.

    I have no idea what I would do. Tough to fault the FO either way they went with this one, in my opinion.


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