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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Yeah lets give a player who was bad after June and who is a huge injury and character risk a truck load of money in a small market!

    Great plan!
    Post All-Star break he had an .833 OPS. Not exactly what I'd call "bad," especially for a premium position.

    It's debatable as to whether it's worth the risk but let's not exaggerate the circumstances.
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    John Fay has the antidote to Daugherty's dream.

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...ton-not-billy/
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    I have zero interest in Josh Hamilton and the loads of baggage that would come with.

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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    One thing - or is that two - that Milwaukee offers is the Brothers Narron.
    Good point, although I imagine any team that signs Hamilton could easily pry he Narrons away from the Brewers.
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Unless he were willing to do a short term deal, and I don't see any reason why he would be, I'm not interested.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    Big hole in LF and SS. Our pitchers may not like it.
    The pitchers just have to not let hitters pull the ball.
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Unless he were willing to do a short term deal, and I don't see any reason why he would be, I'm not interested.
    Who's going to give him more than 3-4 years anyhow?
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Who's going to give him more than 3-4 years anyhow?
    I know it's not the go-go Aughties anymore where Gary Matthews Jr can get 5 years/50 million, but someone will give Hamilton the deal he's looking for.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Post All-Star break he had an .833 OPS. Not exactly what I'd call "bad," especially for a premium position.

    It's debatable as to whether it's worth the risk but let's not exaggerate the circumstances.
    For $20-$30 mill per year... better be AT LEAST .200 higher than .833! And I mean every month. Especially for a team with a payroll that is not in the top-5 spenders. If not, pass.

    Even if possible, pass. Baggage, risks, injuries, "special" treatment, etc, etc, etc. PASS!
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Rule of thumb: do the opposite of what Daugherty says to do. He's merely ruminating and is in no way serious. Tomorrow he'll damn the Reds for even considering the idea.

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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Post All-Star break he had an .833 OPS. Not exactly what I'd call "bad," especially for a premium position.
    He's a LF playing CF, so he really doesn't play a premium position.

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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Bold prediction: If Hamilton goes to a rival and performs at a superstar level, there will be a lot of "the Reds should have went harder after him" talk.
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    I'm a huge Josh Hamilton fan.

    The Reds made a bad trade, or did they? Latos wouldn't be here if it weren't for Volquez......... but an older, more worn down version of Josh isn't what the Reds need now.
    Last edited by Matt700wlw; 10-20-2012 at 12:35 AM.

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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    I'm a huge Josh Hamilton fan.

    The Reds made a bad trade, or did they? Latos wouldn't be here if it weren't for Volquez......... but an older, more worn down version of Josh isn't what the Reds need now.
    I disagree with this.. Everything we've read said that the Padres really wanted Alonso and Grandal.. The two pitchers were a lesser priority.
    Volquez could've been replaced with Leake (or probably a lesser talent).
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    Re: P Doc: Brewers considering Josh Hamilton; Reds should too

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    For $20-$30 mill per year... better be AT LEAST .200 higher than .833! And I mean every month. Especially for a team with a payroll that is not in the top-5 spenders. If not, pass.

    Even if possible, pass. Baggage, risks, injuries, "special" treatment, etc, etc, etc. PASS!
    I wasn't arguing whether or not he's worth that kind of money (although his season as a whole was a .930 OPS so I sense there's a bit of cherry-picking going on). Rather, I was more disagreeing with the narrative that he was "bad" the second half of the year. An .830 OPS from a centerfielder is still pretty good. We'd all be in heaven if Drew Stubbs could do that.
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