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    Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    He's planning skipping Japan's amateur draft to pursue a career in MLB.
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    Japanese high school pitcher Shohei Otani says he will pursue a career in Major League Baseball instead of turning professional in Japan.

    Shohei Otani, a right-hander whose fastball has surpassed 99 mph, has been scouted by several MLB teams including the Dodgers and Red Sox.
    Otani, a 6-foot-4 right-hander who has thrown a fastball between 99 and 100 mph, has been scouted by several major league teams including the Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox.

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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Te reaction to this news might be worse than the reaction to Godzilla's attack on Tokyo...
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    I can't say I blame the kid. Once he makes it official the floodgates will open.

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    So what happens now? Obviously he skips the posting process. Everyone should be on a relatively level playing field financially given those international free agent limits that came along recently right?
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    So what happens now? Obviously he skips the posting process. Everyone should be on a relatively level playing field financially given those international free agent limits that came along recently right?
    For the most part, it will be no different than the limits put on Taiwanese signees or Dominican signees. I'm not sure MLB will be all that bent out of shape about it. Not sure what's so precious about MLB's relationship with the Japanese leagues.

    MLB doesn't want its teams interfering with guys under contract but this guy isn't under contract. I think MLB would balk if the guy wasn't 18 yet. That's the big double standard: MLB teams can go hoodwink Latin American players (other than PUerto Rico) without any agent representation as young as 16. MLB would have a cow if they did that in Japan or any country outside the developing world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    For the most part, it will be no different than the limits put on Taiwanese signees or Dominican signees. I'm not sure MLB will be all that bent out of shape about it. Not sure what's so precious about MLB's relationship with the Japanese leagues.
    I suppose the Japanese league could not make their players available for posting anymore. They could refuse to take Bobby Valentine back. I may be totally wrong but I really could see the Japanese league raise a fuss over this.

    MLB doesn't want its teams interfering with guys under contract but this guy isn't under contract. I think MLB would balk if the guy wasn't 18 yet. That's the big double standard: MLB teams can go hoodwink Latin American players (other than PUerto Rico) without any agent representation as young as 16. MLB would have a cow if they did that in Japan or any country outside the developing world.
    You're absolutely right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I suppose the Japanese league could not make their players available for posting anymore. They could refuse to take Bobby Valentine back. I may be totally wrong but I really could see the Japanese league raise a fuss over this.



    You're absolutely right.
    MLB might see that as a good investment to make though. Lose the present wave of current Nippon players, but gain the entire careers of future stars who decide to take this path as well. What if Ichiro had played his whole career here?
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I suppose the Japanese league could not make their players available for posting anymore. They could refuse to take Bobby Valentine back. I may be totally wrong but I really could see the Japanese league raise a fuss over this.
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    Well if Japan stops the posting system, then all their high end talent will bypass the Japeneese league.. They will sign with American clubs, and then possibly come back home after they've washed out of MLB..

    The posting system is very profitable for Japaneese clubs.. I doubt they would ever get rid of it.
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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Well if Japan stops the posting system, then all their high end talent will bypass the Japeneese league.. They will sign with American clubs, and then possibly come back home after they've washed out of MLB..

    The posting system is very profitable for Japaneese clubs.. I doubt they would ever get rid of it.
    Not necessarily. Sure, they could come over here and sign as a free agent but they would be in the same boat with all the other amateurs. They would have to start off in rookie ball and work their way up. There's no guarantee of success. Plus they would have to play without the support system that major league teams have for their Japanese players. If they do wash out and come home, they may be blackballed and not able to play again.

    It is profitable but this may not be a question of dollars and yen. It may be a question of honor.
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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I suppose the Japanese league could not make their players available for posting anymore.
    If this became an epidemic, one thing the Japanese league might consider doing is letting its players become free agents after 6 years of service rather than 10.
    How, then, are those people of the future—who are taking steroids every day—going to look back on baseball players who used steroids? They're going to look back on them as pioneers. They're going to look back at it and say "So what?" - Bill James, Cooperstown and the 'Roids

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    And with that last statement in mind, I just want to throw this out - the Reds did not sign ANY international free agents, to my knowledge.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    And with that last statement in mind, I just want to throw this out - the Reds did not sign ANY international free agents, to my knowledge.
    I can promise you that they did. They just didn't sign any of the top end guys you hear about.

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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    I could see MLB telling their teams to pass on this kid so as to not upset their relations with the Japanese league.
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    Re: Shohei Otani, 18, wants MLB career

    Would that be collusion? Would it matter in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I could see MLB telling their teams to pass on this kid so as to not upset their relations with the Japanese league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    Would that be collusion? Would it matter in this situation?
    Good question. I suppose it could be if the MLBPA wanted to make a fuss about it. I'm sure the kid fits the criteria of an amateur free agent. There's really no difference between him and some 16 year old Dominican kid.
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