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    As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    I don't know much about football to be quite honest. I follow the bengals, because there cincinnati, and i love all things cincinnati. That said, I love baseball much more.

    Regardless of all that. For a non nfl knowledgeable person, like myself, can anyone explain why the Bengals have sucked so much this decade, and why there isn't more commitment to make this team better?

    Because, I know there are dominant teams like the Steelers and Patriots who have been dominant for decades and have been a "staple" for quality in the NFL. Now why is it so difficult for the Bengals to achieve this?

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    lack of caring from the top. they make their money, that's all they care about. the Bengals put less money and time into scouting, facilities, etc. than any team in the league, they have one of the smallest payrolls in the league, and in the next year or so, will actually be forced to spend more to meet the low cap that's put on player salaries.
    Is it "next season" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
    lack of caring from the top. they make their money, that's all they care about. the Bengals put less money and time into scouting, facilities, etc. than any team in the league, they have one of the smallest payrolls in the league, and in the next year or so, will actually be forced to spend more to meet the low cap that's put on player salaries.
    Why isn't there a bigger outcry than? Why don't fans protest with there dollar and let them understand that "us" fans won't take this neglect any longer.

    If it's as bad as it seems, I would love to see a strike occur from us fans leaving the stadium completely barren to let the management up top know that this has to stop.

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
    lack of caring from the top. they make their money, that's all they care about. the Bengals put less money and time into scouting, facilities, etc. than any team in the league, they have one of the smallest payrolls in the league, and in the next year or so, will actually be forced to spend more to meet the low cap that's put on player salaries.
    I don't think it is for a lack of caring at all. It is flat out stubbornness. Mike Brown, I believe, wants more than anything to win. But, he wants to do it his way. He wants to be the guy calling the shots. That means no GM. That means a small scouting staff.

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    The Bengals haven't sucked in recent years. We're probably around the middle of the pack in the NFL.

    You need good players to win in the NFL. The Steelers don't miss on players very often. For a while in the 90s and early 2000s the Bengals were missing a LOT more than we were hitting. Screwing up a top draft pick in the NFL can be devastating and take a long time to recover from. The reason we're better now is because we are drafting better.

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    The Bengals haven't sucked in recent years. We're probably around the middle of the pack in the NFL.

    You need good players to win in the NFL. The Steelers don't miss on players very often. For a while in the 90s and early 2000s the Bengals were missing a LOT more than we were hitting. Screwing up a top draft pick in the NFL can be devastating and take a long time to recover from. The reason we're better now is because we are drafting better.
    Hasn't it been like 20 something years since the Bengals won a playoff game?

    Also why is Marvin Lewis still the coach..I know dusty has his haters for various reasons, but at least he has taken a team from zero to 50 in a few years time. I know Marvin has taken this team to a similar route, but have lost quite a few more playoff games in the process.

    Also, do any of you think there's a realistic chance of the Bengals ever moving out of Cincinnati if the struggles continue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTruck View Post
    Hasn't it been like 20 something years since the Bengals won a playoff game?

    Also why is Marvin Lewis still the coach..I know dusty has his haters for various reasons, but at least he has taken a team from zero to 50 in a few years time. I know Marvin has taken this team to a similar route, but have lost quite a few more playoff games in the process.

    Also, do any of you think there's a realistic chance of the Bengals ever moving out of Cincinnati if the struggles continue?
    Yes, it's been a long time. It used to be a lot worse than it is now though, anyone who follows can at least tell that the team is trending in the right direction for the first time in a long time. And under Marvin we haven't been terrible, we've been about a middle of the pack NFL team.

    Like someone else posted, it's not like the Reds have been more successful in recent years than the Bengals. There's a lot of parallels to be honest. In 2010 the Reds beat up on bad teams and lost to good teams, then had an early exit in the playoffs. In 2011 that's exactly what the Bengals did. Neither franchise has had any postseason success to speak of for quite some time.

    Why is Marvin the coach? If you ask me it's because he's about as good as we have been able to get for a while. Just like big name free agent players, big name coaches don't exactly have working for Mike Brown high on their list of things to do.

    With all of the really bad, it's still going in the right direction right now. We're missing talent at certain positions and it's hurting us. We're also inexperienced at spots which is also hurting us. Prime example is what Dick Lebeau did to Jay Gruden last night...just outclassed him from a coaching perspective.

    Ideally the team continues to mature and either Gruden or Zimmer takes over the HC job while Marvin moves to a FO position where he can be here to put the team together. For all of his faults you cannot say Marvin hasn't done a good job at raising the level of talent all over the team. Whether or not this happens is anyone's guess, but that would be my hope.
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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTruck View Post
    Also, do any of you think there's a realistic chance of the Bengals ever moving out of Cincinnati if the struggles continue?
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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    http://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/fe...spx?ID=1562012
    Every Bengals fan should read this.

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Bengals fans could just 'quit' on the franchise considering they've essentially 'quit' on you. I made this decision probably 4-5 years ago and I've never looked back. But of course, I'm not a superfan so you won't have many people who'll do the same and continue to support the worthless old man known as Mike Brown.

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Why do the Cubs suck in baseball?

    As for protesting, etc, that all was tried in the mid to late 90s & early 2000s and I think people are too tired to try it again.

    Marvin did take them from a 2 win team in 2002 to a couple of 8-8 seasons & then the playoffs in 2005 (first time since 1990) and that type of progress made a lot of people happier - progress was being made.

    Since then however, it has been a yo-yo ride - playoffs in 2005, mediocrity in 2006 & 07, awful in 2008 (but Palmer was hurt), playoffs in 2009, awful in 2010, playoffs in 2011, and now 3-4 so far this year.

    They have not actually sucked as much recently as they did in the 90s, but have not been consistently good either. It's been mostly mediocre with a couple of spikes better & worse along the way. Protests & stuff usually happen after several years of 4-12 type seasons and the Bengals have avoided that type of stretch lately. Does anyone really want to protest a team that did make the playoffs last year?

    It's just so much "meh" right now

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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTruck View Post
    Also, do any of you think there's a realistic chance of the Bengals ever moving out of Cincinnati if the struggles continue?
    Teams don't move because of a lack of success. It's because of stadium issues. The Bengals definitely do not have stadium issues and the Browns want the team to stay there.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTruck View Post
    Why isn't there a bigger outcry than? Why don't fans protest with there dollar and let them understand that "us" fans won't take this neglect any longer.

    If it's as bad as it seems, I would love to see a strike occur from us fans leaving the stadium completely barren to let the management up top know that this has to stop.
    When the Bengals play poorly on a consistent basis, the stadium is pretty much half-empty for most games. Then they start winning again and the stadium fills up.
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    Re: As a Non-NFL Lover, why do the Bengals suck so much?

    Since Marvin got here, the Bengals have been just as good as the Reds under Castellini--i.e., competitive, sometimes able to slip into the playoffs, but unable to do anything once there, generally unable to ever win a big game, and completely outclassed by their rivals in the division.

    There's no way anyone can say the Bengals have been worse than the Reds in recent years. The only thing the Reds have is a history of success, albeit one that dates back decades.


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