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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Yeah....and how often does the best team in college basketball win the NCAA and that is lauded as the best post season running!!!
    What does the big dance have to do with who's best in baseball?

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    I can't say that a team that had possibly the worst hitter in the majors (Stubbs) and a leadoff/2 hitter with the 7th worst OBP in the majors (Cozart) in their regular lineup the best team in baseball.

    Don't get me wrong, this is not a Dusty Baker bashing as there were not clear upgrades on the roster
    Of course Baker did not have to stick them in the top two spots in the lineup and give them the most at-bats. And it's not like he doesn't do this year after year after year.
    Zero chance the Reds miss the playoffs!

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Sure they had the most wins....by 1 game, but that doesn't make them the best team. Also not running away with it either. Reds also had their best palyer down for 2 months of the season, lost the closer before the season even started, and lost their best pitcher 8 pitches into the post season. I dont understand why you are even on this forum. All you do is hate on the Reds, I really think you are a Cubs troll....for real dude!!!
    No they are the best team because they have more talent. Look at the games missed by the Reds and then the Nats and then look at the 94 win team in their division they had to play 18 times and the fact didn't get to play the two worst teams in baseball 31 games, they got to play them 15 times and went 13-2.

    The Cards won 88 games so if we add up all the games play vs teams with 88 or more wins not counting the 7 H2H games with the Nats and Reds which Washington won 5-2 its.

    34 games for the Reds
    43 games for the Nats

    While we got 6 with the Indians they got 6 with Baltimore and then 3 more with Tampa and 18 with the Braves while we got 15 with Cards who won 6 less games.

    2012 Strength of Schedule
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

    There's being a Reds fan and being a homer, I'm not a homer and can clearly see what team was better and its the team that had the better H2H Record while playing more top teams and had the better overall record in a better division while have more key guys missing games.

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Of course Baker did not have to stick them in the top two spots in the lineup and give them the most at-bats. And it's not like he doesn't do this year after year after year.
    Oh, I absolutely agree. To keep trotting Stubbs out and watch him hit .186 against RHP was inexcusable. Cozart should have been moved down the order. But if Stubbs is benched for let's say Heisey, the bench goes from bad to worse. The bench who had no viable option in the middle infield and starting pitching depth was shaky. Those are the kinds of things that make me hesitate to call them the "best team in baseball"

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    The best team won it all in impressive fashion.

    The best team in baseball wouldn't lose 3 straight at home needing just 1 win to end their season.

    The Giants were 6-2 on the road in the playoffs. Down 0-2 in best of 5....WIN Down 3-1 to the defending world champs....WIN

    7 straight wins to seal the postseason.

    The best team in baseball was clearly the Giants....backs against the wall in ridiculous fashion and never flinched.

    And they proved the 4th and 5th starters were way more important than 2 middle relief/long men

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by Maker_84 View Post
    After watching the WS and playoffs there's no dount in my mind,
    You honestly think that the Reds were the best team in Baseball in 2012?
    Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon...

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Mudshark View Post
    You honestly think that the Reds were the best team in Baseball in 2012?
    With Votto healthy and Cueto not being frail, Yes

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    The reds were definitely the best team in 2012. They were not the best collection of talent but they were without a doubt the best team. You can bash all you want on stubbs and cozart for not being great hitters but they play up the middle. Traditionalists will always tell you that the most important component to catcher, short stop, second base, or center field is defense. And you got great defense out of both of them. This years reds team is not unlike the '05 cardinals that won 100 games. Great team but not the best collection of talent. And nothing proves that more than guys like luddy and frazier stepping up in a big way when votto went down.

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Any of these teams coulda won the WS, I think its as wide open of a playoff we have ever had. Oakland and Baltimore were probably the only 2 teams that were a clear notch below the rest.

    But the reds, yanks, nats, tigers, giants, cards, braves were about as equal as it gets in terms of WS chances.

    The giants just happened to play the best this time around.

    If they played this exact playoff format 100x I think the distribution of winners would be very balanced.

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    the Giants wanted it more.. Sadly it doesnt matter the Reds won 97 games.. they didnt bring a World Series Trophy home..The Giants stepped up starting with the Reds, then down 3-1 to the Cards and beat them.. then stopped a Detroit offense to win the World Series.. the Giants got Pence and Scutaro to bolster their lack of offense. the Reds stood pat with theirs.. Guess who wanted it more??

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfansince72 View Post
    the Giants wanted it more.. Sadly it doesnt matter the Reds won 97 games.. they didnt bring a World Series Trophy home..The Giants stepped up starting with the Reds, then down 3-1 to the Cards and beat them.. then stopped a Detroit offense to win the World Series.. the Giants got Pence and Scutaro to bolster their lack of offense. the Reds stood pat with theirs.. Guess who wanted it more??
    I dont necessarily think the giants wanted it more. they just played better and won.

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Did people not watch the Nats all year?

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Nats were good. Still don't think they were as good as the reds. If ryan zimmerman's shoulder wasn't messed up and he didn't have the yips id agree with you. Also, they chose to shut down strasburg which made them worse.

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam View Post
    Nats were good. Still don't think they were as good as the reds. If ryan zimmerman's shoulder wasn't messed up and he didn't have the yips id agree with you. Also, they chose to shut down strasburg which made them worse.
    They had a better record, harder schedule in a better division and better a H2H record and had more key players get hurt.

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    Re: Reds were the best team in baseball

    no idea what an h2h record is. Actually the top 4 teams in the nl central this year were better than the top 4 in the nl east. And why are you talking about strength of schedule? this is baseball. This isn't college basketball. Soon you'll have an RPI for baseball teams. The reds had a ton more experience, and so maybe that means the reds are a more durable team. Also washington had to fight alot longer at the end of the season. Cincinnati didn't even have to play the last month. And there lineup is amazingly over-rated. Their most fearsome hitter is Adam Laroche. That isn't very daunting.


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