Turn Off Ads?
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 38

Thread: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

  1. #16
    Member mdccclxix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Crown
    Posts
    3,627

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Baseball is a marathon, worship the sprint if you must.

    As a fan of the game I don't let the media dictate the game to me and try and define what I should see as important.
    Can you explain more of what you mean here?

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #17
    Member mdccclxix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Crown
    Posts
    3,627

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Yeah, I've always thought a true apple-apple would be Super Bowls vs. Game 7's. My guess is that the gap closes dramatically. But I'm too lazy to do the research.
    I wonder how an NLCS series' total unique viewers would stack up vs a AFC championship game? Can they even measure that?

  4. #18
    Titanic Struggles Caveat Emperor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    The 513
    Posts
    12,623

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    You take it the same way in baseball, right? So do you have a problem with 10 teams getting in the playoffs?
    The number of playoffs slots is really irrelevant to me -- though, I recognize that it benefits a team like the Reds to have more opportunities to make the post-season (since their payroll limitations will reduce the odds of them producing league-best win totals on a yearly basis).

    I do view baseball and football (and all other sports, really) the same way in this regard: the goal of the sport is to win a Championship. Anything less is failure, and trying to spin it any other way, to me, reeks of "participation ribbon" mentality.
    Championships Matter.
    23 Years and Counting...

  5. #19
    Member mdccclxix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Crown
    Posts
    3,627

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    The number of playoffs slots is really irrelevant to me -- though, I recognize that it benefits a team like the Reds to have more opportunities to make the post-season (since their payroll limitations will reduce the odds of them producing league-best win totals on a yearly basis).

    I do view baseball and football (and all other sports, really) the same way in this regard: the goal of the sport is to win a Championship. Anything less is failure, and trying to spin it any other way, to me, reeks of "participation ribbon" mentality.
    I wonder what the breakdown is on the champion having the best record in football? NBA?

  6. #20
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Posts
    1,368

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Baseball is a marathon, worship the sprint if you must.

    As a fan of the game I don't let the media dictate the game to me and try and define what I should see as important.
    That's fine, but denying the system the sport has accepted to declare its champion does not mean the system or the champion do not exist. The reality is they don't hand out trophies for the Big 162, and the reason everyone plays the game and the reason the vast majority watch is to raise that trophy. You can pretend it doesn't matter, but that's being pretty naive.

  7. #21
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,326

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Can you explain more of what you mean here?
    I don't feel the need to cling to a round robin tournament as the sole indicator of who is the best baseball team.

    The press surrounding the playoffs and world series implies that the whole season is a useless exercise, I find that silly. Best in the game has historically been about who compiles the best record over six months.

    I believe that myself, and I while I want my team to win the World Series I don't downgrade my feelings on the season by the fact that the Reds had a bad five game series, IE I don't mope, I don't curse baseball, I don't turn to football for solace, I don't stop watching baseball I don't bemoan how unfair the game is, because it is unfair.

    Just like life

  8. #22
    Member mdccclxix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Crown
    Posts
    3,627

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    I don't feel the need to cling to a round robin tournament as the sole indicator of who is the best baseball team.

    The press surrounding the playoffs and world series implies that the whole season is a useless exercise, I find that silly. Best in the game has historically been about who compiles the best record over six months.

    I believe that myself, and I while I want my team to win the World Series I don't downgrade my feelings on the season by the fact that the Reds had a bad five game series, IE I don't mope, I don't curse baseball, I don't turn to football for solace, I don't stop watching baseball I don't bemoan how unfair the game is, because it is unfair.

    Just like life
    Well said. Does the reduced chances of winning a tourney championship, even with a 100 win team, still bother you?

  9. #23
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,326

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Well said. Does the reduced chances of winning a tourney championship, even with a 100 win team, still bother you?
    Sure, but the fact that the Giants won 103 games in 1993 and didn't get in the playoffs was also kind of sad.

    I watch a LOT of hockey, I love the NHL playoffs, it makes folks forget awesome 118 point seasons, players get to lift the cup... I get all that but I can't watch any sport for 6 months and not let some things slide, nor can I watch a sport for six months and feel anger when it doesn't fall into my lap like I want it to.

  10. #24
    Flash the leather! _Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    8,224

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    I don't feel the need to cling to a round robin tournament as the sole indicator of who is the best baseball team.

    The press surrounding the playoffs and world series implies that the whole season is a useless exercise, I find that silly. Best in the game has historically been about who compiles the best record over six months.

    I believe that myself, and I while I want my team to win the World Series I don't downgrade my feelings on the season by the fact that the Reds had a bad five game series, IE I don't mope, I don't curse baseball, I don't turn to football for solace, I don't stop watching baseball I don't bemoan how unfair the game is, because it is unfair.

    Just like life
    WoY...you have a WAAAAAAY too healthy outlook on things. Where's the tunnel vision, where's the irrational screaming at the TV, where's the drinking until you pass out due to post-season depression, where's the....well, I guess where's the Cub fan in you? :O)
    2014 predictions:
    99-63 WS champs (Cards take 2nd WC, Mil 3rd, Pit 4th, Chi 5th)
    Bruce/Votto neck and neck MVP race (neither takes it)
    Bailey CYA winner
    Hamilton ROY & GG

  11. #25
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    3,772

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Part of the slide in the interest in the World Series has to do with the move to cable television.

    Despite the assumption that "everyone has cable or satellite now," I think it still has affected the number of people watching the games. It is surprising the number of households that were affected by the recent changeover from analog to digital TV - far more households than you might expect. My own parents have no desire to pay for cable or satellite TV, and stick with basic over-the-air channels.

    The general move to cable has hurt baseball. Football is still available (Saturdays and Sundays) to anyone regardless of whether they have cable or not.

    I also tend to think the more post-season teams allowed, waters down the true championship game. The winner-take-all should not be a team who barely got in to the post-season and then suddenly got hot and started playing well against superior teams. If they want to go to the final game, try beating these superior teams during the season.

    I liked the old days, where the post season was the East first place team versus the West first place team, and the winner went to the World Series to face the winner of the other league's division playoff..
    Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.

  12. #26
    Posting in Dynarama M2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    28,159

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    That's fine, but denying the system the sport has accepted to declare its champion does not mean the system or the champion do not exist. The reality is they don't hand out trophies for the Big 162, and the reason everyone plays the game and the reason the vast majority watch is to raise that trophy. You can pretend it doesn't matter, but that's being pretty naive.
    The reason they play the game is because it makes a lot of money. And while it's great to be a fan of the team lifting the trophy at the end of the year, it's also pretty obvious the method for determining that champion jumped the shark a long time ago.

    As a Reds fan, this season was great. I'd take another 10 just like it. Odds are the team wins a World Series or two if that happens, but that's got a lot less to do with ability and a lot more to do with the roulette wheel stopping on your number.
    Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong

    I'm witchcrafting everybody.

  13. #27
    Posting in Dynarama M2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    28,159

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I just wish we could get rid of the wild card round and go back to the 1969-1993 format. Have a best of 7 NLCS and ALCS between the two best teams in each league, and then your 7 game World Series.
    I liked that format too, though it was only in place from 1985-93. The LCSes were best-of-5 from 1969-84.

    Unfortunately we won't be going back. Yet I'd still like to see the team with the best record in each league get some sort of reward, either nothing but home games in the playoffs or the top overall pick or the ability to pick a player out of another organization (maybe all the other teams in the league get to protect 10 players/prospects and then the champion gets to select out of the who's left).
    Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong

    I'm witchcrafting everybody.

  14. #28
    Titanic Struggles Caveat Emperor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    The 513
    Posts
    12,623

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    As a Reds fan, this season was great. I'd take another 10 just like it. Odds are the team wins a World Series or two if that happens, but that's got a lot less to do with ability and a lot more to do with the roulette wheel stopping on your number.
    Theoretically speaking, which would you choose:

    1. Reds win the World Series, gut the team the next year and proceed to lose consistently for the next 6-7 years.

    2. Reds win consistently for the next 5-6 years -- make the playoffs every year, but never win a World Series.
    Championships Matter.
    23 Years and Counting...

  15. #29
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    New York, NY
    Posts
    8,822

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Theoretically speaking, which would you choose:

    1. Reds win the World Series, gut the team the next year and proceed to lose consistently for the next 6-7 years.

    2. Reds win consistently for the next 5-6 years -- make the playoffs every year, but never win a World Series.
    Wouldn't everyone choose #1? 5-6 years seems like nothing when you consider it's been over 22?

  16. #30
    Titanic Struggles Caveat Emperor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    The 513
    Posts
    12,623

    Re: Joe Poz: The New Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Wouldn't everyone choose #1? 5-6 years seems like nothing when you consider it's been over 22?
    The question is, framed another way, would you rather be the Oakland Athletics or the Florida Marlins.

    Lots of people have chimed in saying that they would rather win consistently than win the big one.
    Championships Matter.
    23 Years and Counting...


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25