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    Looks like Madson has declined option

    Jon Heyman reporting, but I don't have the link.
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Is he looking for more money after the stellar season he had?
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate39 View Post
    Is he looking for more money after the stellar season he had?
    Hey he didn't blow a save all year.

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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Heyman says that he wants a job where he's guaranteed to close.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...-job-elsewhere
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Reds held the option.

    We were never bringing him back for the incremental 8.5M required to keep a guy coming off TJ surgery. He'd be cray to turn that down. I also doubt someone is going to give him a guaranteed closing position. He's going to have to compete.

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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    IIRC correctly I think it was actually a mutual option. Either way, I would assume the Reds declined, not the other way around.

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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    IIRC correctly I think it was actually a mutual option. Either way, I would assume the Reds declined, not the other way around.
    Quite sure of that,No way he turns down 8.5 mill
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by Plus Plus View Post
    Heyman says that he wants a job where he's guaranteed to close.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...-job-elsewhere
    Does that signal our hopes of Chapman to the rotation are likely to be dashed?

    Madson was a great decision that failed miserably. It's big disappointment through really no one's fault. Life happens sometimes.
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Does that signal our hopes of Chapman to the rotation are likely to be dashed?

    Madson was a great decision that failed miserably. It's big disappointment through really no one's fault. Life happens sometimes.
    Ahh... that's the real mystery, isn't it? I was wondering the same thing...

    However, as camisadelgolf said, it could be a generic excuse and a future plan and nothing more.
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party.
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party.
    Simply put, those are the terms of the contract. Had Madson been eligible for arbitration, the Reds could've offered. There's also the likely possibility that the Reds were planning on turning down the option but let Madson save face by turning it down first. And although Madson might face competition for the closer role elsewhere, his odds are much better if Aroldis Chapman isn't his competition.

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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Simply put, those are the terms of the contract. Had Madson been eligible for arbitration, the Reds could've offered. There's also the likely possibility that the Reds were planning on turning down the option but let Madson save face by turning it down first. And although Madson might face competition for the closer role elsewhere, his odds are much better if Aroldis Chapman isn't his competition.
    Makes sense. I'm not seeing Madson being a big factor in 2013 though. His surgery was in April. Will he even be ready by opening day? Tommy John usually takes 12 to 18 months to get back into pitching in the big leagues and another season or so to get back effectiveness. Some guys have gone faster than that, but if I was given the job of handing out the cash, I woudn't give much guaranteed to a guy coming off Tommy John until the surgery was 24 months or so in the past. I'm glad that the Reds seem to be allowing somebody else to pay for Madson's rehab season. I'd be happy to have him back on a minor league deal that guarantees $1 Million or so with some incentives, but if he's looking for a big league deal for multi-millions guaranteed, I'd just as soon spend that money on somebody who isn't coming off of Tommy John.
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party.
    It's a term of the CBA that all options, player, club or mutual, must have a buyout provision.
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    How do guys like Wainwright and Carpenter come back so fast, but it's going to take Madson an entire year?
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    Re: Looks like Madson has declined option

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    How do guys like Wainwright and Carpenter come back so fast, but it's going to take Madson an entire year?
    Wainwright had surgery on February 28, 2011, came back on April 7, 2012 and wasn't really very good until July. If Madson (surgery date 4/11/2012) follows a similar timeline, he'd come back in Mid to late May and spend June, July and into August not being very good. The Reds are in uncharted waters, as far as the payroll goes, with a couple of holes that still need to be filled. They can't really afford to invest in such a questionable proposition, IMO, unless it comes at a really cheap price.

    Carpenter's recent injury wasn't Tommy John. Not sure about his missed 2003 season or what the exact dates were.
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