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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Hello! Wow. Definitely one I didn't see coming ... and I'm highly skeptical (and good at calling these things in advance). Wow, wow and WOW.

    That Latos trade is looking better by the day.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    From an irony POV, I love it.
    I love your honesty here. Whether they will admit it or not, every Reds fan feels the exact same way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I think we've found a whole new roster building tactic. Draft a juicer and deal him for an ace before he gets caught.
    Been done at the organizational level already. Michael Lewis called it "Moneyball."

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    I think if Walt knew it, at the very minimum, he would've disclosed in it the trade. Hard to speculate on what people will do, but I remember Walt being furious about the Brantley-Dimitri Young trade because Bowden exaggerated Brantley's medical health.

    I think in terms of integrity, Walt is well respected among his peers.
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by muddie View Post
    The frequency of these suspensions is almost comical. Clearly MLB isn't very serious about this problem.
    I think the individual players are the ones not taking it seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backbencher View Post
    Been done at the organizational level already. Michael Lewis called it "Moneyball."
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    I'd love to see stronger penalties but then you have the player's union to deal with. IMO, they are going to "blunt" really severe penalties, such as expulsion.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    I'd love to see stronger penalties but then you have the player's union to deal with. IMO, they are going to "blunt" really severe penalties, such as expulsion.
    Somewhere, Jeremy Jeffress' ears just perked up.
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Somewhere, Jeremy Jeffress' ears just perked up.

    Speaking of which, he was just designated for assignment last week. We might see him with a new team soon. I wouldn't mind seeing if the Reds could get him higher in his accomplishments. It would have to be a joint effort though.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post

    Speaking of which, he was just designated for assignment last week. We might see him with a new team soon. I wouldn't mind seeing if the Reds could get him higher in his accomplishments. It would have to be a joint effort though.
    I see what you did there!

    Bet he'd be more interested in playing for the Rockies or the Mariners.
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    I know a lot of people on here are/were high on Grandal - even more so than Mes - but if you could trade Mes for Grandal straight up, knowing that Grandal has to miss the 1st 50 games of 2013 and another positive test would be 100 games, would you do that deal?
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I know a lot of people on here are/were high on Grandal - even more so than Mes - but if you could trade Mes for Grandal straight up, knowing that Grandal has to miss the 1st 50 games of 2013 and another positive test would be 100 games, would you do that deal?
    Well I'd have to know (and obviously the Reds do, but I'm not sure if its ever been pinpointed here or not) why Mes basically became persona non grata the last month + of the season, even w/ roster expansion. What caused it, how did Mes deal w/ it, what are the prospects in those regards moving forward.

    W/o that information, I'd be hesitant to make the call one way or another.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I know a lot of people on here are/were high on Grandal - even more so than Mes - but if you could trade Mes for Grandal straight up, knowing that Grandal has to miss the 1st 50 games of 2013 and another positive test would be 100 games, would you do that deal?
    Nope, I would not do that.
    Mes will get another chance. He's still young.
    I guess from Day 1, I never expected Mes to be the next Gary Carter.
    He will be a useful catcher though.
    Last season was growing pains, he'll be ok in the long term.

    I'm very leary of trading for someone busted for PEDs.. it makes their entire past history of performance suspicious. Naturally, everyone would trade a nobody for Grandal and take the chance, but I would not trade Mes.
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    I doubt it. I don't see it as in any team's long term interest to trade damaged goods to other clubs. Jocketty surely knows that.
    Yeah, I imagine you are right. WJ from a pragmatic standpoint and Castellini from an ethical one. BCast is a stand-up guy and wouldn't stand for such shenanigans.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal Suspended for PED Use

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    I doubt it. I don't see it as in any team's long term interest to trade damaged goods to other clubs. Jocketty surely knows that.
    Yep.

    Jocketty was the GM when the Reds traded Brantley to the Cardinals, he wasn't healthy and the Cards didn't trade with the Reds for the rest of the Bowden era and made it clear why


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