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    Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Congrats to Jay. Hope you have a ton more
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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Congratulations to Jay; he earned it!

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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Wow. Ian Desmond is a lot better player than I thought.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Wow. Ian Desmond is a lot better player than I thought.
    SS hitting is all of the sudden back to 1980s level, low ob% some pop

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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Not really sure how Strasburg won over Mike Leake.

    Anyway, great job, Jay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    Not really sure how Strasburg won over Mike Leake.
    Because Strasburg was better.

    Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
    Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Because Strasburg was better.

    Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
    Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
    Is one of those lines really better than the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Is one of those lines really better than the other?
    Yes, it is.

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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Because Strasburg was better.

    Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
    Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
    Leake had 16 more plate appearances and more RC. I think Tony LaRussa is behind an underground movement to deny all recognition for Reds pitchers. Only explanation.

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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Because Strasburg was better.

    Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
    Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
    Hardly - Leake also scored 8 runs to Strasburg's 4, had 18 hits to Strasburg's 13, and Leake hit 2 homers to Strasburg's 1. Strasburg did have more RBIs than Leake, 7 to 3.

    If this is a hitting award, Leake is the better hitter. Higher average, more hits, OBP and he hit more home runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    Leake had 16 more plate appearances and more RC. I think Tony LaRussa is behind an underground movement to deny all recognition for Reds pitchers. Only explanation.
    I will buy that he had more plate appearances, thus could have been of more value. But when looking at just the two lines, one is certainly stronger than the other.

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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Did Beltran not qualify as a RF? He was significantly better in the box than Bruce.
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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    Hardly - Leake also scored 8 runs to Strasburg's 4, had 18 hits to Strasburg's 13, and Leake hit 2 homers to Strasburg's 1. Strasburg did have more RBIs than Leake, 7 to 3.

    If this is a hitting award, Leake is the better hitter. Higher average, more hits, OPS and he hit more home runs.
    Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

    Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.

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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

    Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
    You're right - I wrote OPS when I meant SLG, not sure why.

    I'll still take Leake as a hitter over Strasburg any day.
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    Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

    Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
    Strasburg's .759 vs. Leake's .749 is a marginal margin. It's less than an extra walk.


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