It's nice and all and Jay had a good season but I don't think he was even close to being one of the top-3 with the bat this past year. To me, the third spot should've been Holiday or perhaps even Dexter Fowler.
It's nice and all and Jay had a good season but I don't think he was even close to being one of the top-3 with the bat this past year. To me, the third spot should've been Holiday or perhaps even Dexter Fowler.
They should give every single award available to the Cardinals.Originally Posted by MikeThierry
That's not really fair.
Makes up for Leake not winning, Cueto not in top-3, not a single gold-glove out of 6 nominations, brutal first round exit, Cueto getting hurt, etc. etc. etc. Let us enjoy this one.
-Matt
Exactly.Makes up for Leake not winning, Cueto not in top-3, not a single gold-glove out of 6 nominations, brutal first round exit, Cueto getting hurt, etc. etc. etc. Let us enjoy this one.
-Matt
Kind of silly considering I've never advocated such a thing. Can you objectively say that Bruce had a better year than Holliday did? If you can, please make your case. Otherwise, don't put words in my mouth or don't assume something I don't think.
No, you're right. Holliday's year was better and it wasn't close. I'm not sure how or why Bruce beat him out.
"....the two players I liked watching the most were Barry Larkin and Eric Davis. I was suitably entertained by their effortless skill that I didn't need them crashing into walls like a squirrel on a coke binge." - dsmith421
Here's the NL Centrals top ten in OPS vs their league
Fielding Runs above average added for fodder
Code:OPS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE EBH FRAA 1 Ryan Braun .268 .987 .718 80 2 2 Andrew McCutchen .234 .953 .718 66 0 3 Ryan Ludwick .158 .877 .718 55 -6 4 Matt Holliday .158 .877 .718 65 -13 5 Carlos Beltran .123 .842 .718 59 -5 6 Jay Bruce .123 .841 .718 74 9 7 Alfonso Soriano .103 .821 .718 67 8 8 Norichika Aoki .069 .787 .718 51 -6 9 Jon Jay .054 .773 .718 30 15 10 Carlos Gomez .049 .768 .718 42 4
Yes.
One place where Leake has a clear advantage was in sacrifices- 7 to 2. This is one area actually important with pitchers and what they are often asked to do (whether or not it is right to ask them).
The league leader in sacrifices was Cincinnati's own Johnny Cueto with 17 (tied with Juan Pierre)
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting.../type/expanded
Last edited by klw; 11-15-2012 at 03:03 PM.
Maybe some of you don't think Jay deserved the award (I do). He was player of the week on several occasions as well as being clutch A LOT. Congrats, Jay.
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Holliday had a better OPS, but it was about 30 points. Bruce had way better speed.
Bruce's OPS was about 70 points higher with RISP.
It wasn't close? I'm not seeing that.
How does speed factor into a slugger award?
Well, he was quoting a post that said "Holliday's year was way better," which suggested the poster was not discussing completely from a Silver Slugger perspective.
I believe it's based on offense. Speed is certainly an aspect of offense. So is getting walks. So is BA. It's not simply given to the best "slugger".
Last edited by PuffyPig; 11-15-2012 at 10:17 PM.
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