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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

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    With next to nothing behind them. Let's remember, we deal one of them and the one we keep gets injured...who's next on the depth chart?
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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

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    With next to nothing behind them. Let's remember, we deal one of them and the one we keep gets injured...who's next on the depth chart?
    It's an abyss for sure, but that's why Cozart/Gregorius should have value. Some organizations have to go the abyss for their first option.

    And the ultimate answer to your question is the backup SS option is whomever the Reds sign this winter. In a perfect world, the Reds trade a SS for something super exciting and sign Maicer Izturis to cover the IF (play some SS, defensive replacement/spot starter at 3B).
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    It's an abyss for sure, but that's why Cozart/Gregorius should have value. Some organizations have to go the abyss for their first option.

    And the ultimate answer to your question is the backup SS option is whomever the Reds sign this winter. In a perfect world, the Reds trade a SS for something super exciting and sign Maicer Izturis to cover the IF (play some SS, defensive replacement/spot starter at 3B).
    Izturis already signed with Toronto.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Izturis already signed with Toronto.
    So much for a perfect world. I suppose that makes Ronny Cedeno the top utility IF on the board, at least if you factor in ability to play SS (and assuming he hasn't signed with anyone either).
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    So much for a perfect world. I suppose that makes Ronny Cedeno the top utility IF on the board, at least if you factor in ability to play SS (and assuming he hasn't signed with anyone either).
    I wonder if Keppinger could still fill in at SS without completely falling on his face.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

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    I wonder if Keppinger could still fill in at SS without completely falling on his face.
    He couldn't then. He can't now.
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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

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    I wonder if Keppinger could still fill in at SS without completely falling on his face.
    Get a legit 4/5/6 glove, even if the stick's weak. Then you can focus on bats for the remaining spots. Guys like Kepp or Theriot are neither fish nor fowl -- ok if you have a hole -- but they create work around problems on the bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Get a legit 4/5/6 glove, even if the stick's weak. Then you can focus on bats for the remaining spots. Guys like Kepp or Theriot are neither fish nor fowl -- ok if you have a hole -- but they create work around problems on the bench.
    Good point. He'd make a good Cairo though.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

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    Good point. He'd make a good Cairo though.
    Yes. He would make an excellent Cairo. Would probably cost about the same as well.
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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

    I'd prefer to keep Cozart over Gregorius.

    Cozart hitting seventh in the order, or possibly eighth, is a very strong offensive shortstop. I know his OBP is subpar, and hopefully will improve, but shortstops with 33 doubles and 15 homers as a rookie don't grow on trees.

    And Cozart is outstanding defensively. He was a Gold Glove finalist, his UZR rating is (I believe) best among Reds regulars, he is very sure handed, has good range, throws accurately.

    Nobody knows, but I doubt Didi will be as good offensively, he certainly won't have the power. Didi will have more range but Cozart's sure hands are hard to find.

    I'd trade either guy for Justin Upton, but for a lesser player I might trade Didi but would hold on to Zack.

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I wonder if Keppinger could still fill in at SS without completely falling on his face.
    If that's your baseline, then Frazier can do it. So can Valiaka, Negron, etc.

    Don't ask me though, I'm still mildly upset about us signing Valdez when we had Janish already. If we hadn't signed Valdez, the problem would be solved because we'd still have Janish as a backup SS at Louisville.
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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

    Anyone else nervous that going down this road again is just asking for the besbol gods to even the scorecard from the "we'll keep Larkin & deal Stillwell" move?

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

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    Anyone else nervous that going down this road again is just asking for the besbol gods to even the scorecard from the "we'll keep Larkin & deal Stillwell" move?
    No. Neither of these guys are close to Larkin (and neither was Stillwell for that matter). Both are more along the lines of Stillwell.

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    So much for a perfect world. I suppose that makes Ronny Cedeno the top utility IF on the board, at least if you factor in ability to play SS (and assuming he hasn't signed with anyone either).
    Don't forget Stephen Drew is a free agent. There was a time when Redzone would have jumped at the chance to acquire him.

    As it stands, Drew actually did have a decent, albeit short, run in Oakland in the latter half of this year. I would think he could still be a fine utility infielder.

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    Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop

    Quote Originally Posted by 15fan View Post
    Anyone else nervous that going down this road again is just asking for the besbol gods to even the scorecard from the "we'll keep Larkin & deal Stillwell" move?
    Nah, neither one of these guys is a Larkin, who was a way more complete ballplayer.

    That brings me back to something that flummoxes me about Gregorius: why doesn't he steal? He's got some speed around the bases. By all rights he should be able to swipe 20+ bases. Yet he's got no running game.
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