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    Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...gregorius.html

    Personally, I'd have to be blown away to trade Gregorius. A 22 year old whose glove is ready right now and a bat comparable (minus the power) to the current starting SS. I think we forget since it was his rookie season that Cozart is 27 years old. Not saying he's old, but Gregorius has to be rated well above Cozart in the organizational structure IMO
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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    I would like to send Stubbs and Cozart to Toronto for Yunel Escobar and Colby Rasmus and then sign Melky to play LF. Toronto saves some money and everyone gets a change of scenery.

    SS Yunel Escobar R
    LF Melky Cabrera S
    1B Joey Votto L
    2B Brandon Phillips R
    RF Jay Bruce L
    3B Todd Frazier R
    CF Colby Rasmus L
    Whoever Catches

    This lineup and the fact we play half our games at GABP could lead the NL in runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    I would like to send Stubbs and Cozart to Toronto for Yunel Escobar and Colby Rasmus and then sign Melky to play LF. Toronto saves some money and everyone gets a change of scenery.
    Only if Rasmus get his haircut... Not a good look
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillsdale87 View Post
    Only if Rasmus get his haircut... Not a good look
    Dear lord. Go back to the buzz buddy. I think I read something that he hates it there in Toronto. I would not mind taking him. He has a lot of potential and power. Plus, I love watching his swing. It's so smooth and awesome.

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    I would like to send Stubbs and Cozart to Toronto for Yunel Escobar and Colby Rasmus and then sign Melky to play LF. Toronto saves some money and everyone gets a change of scenery.

    SS Yunel Escobar R
    LF Melky Cabrera S
    1B Joey Votto L
    2B Brandon Phillips R
    RF Jay Bruce L
    3B Todd Frazier R
    CF Colby Rasmus L
    Whoever Catches

    This lineup and the fact we play half our games at GABP could lead the NL in runs.
    I just feel like with that trade, you are trading 2 underachievers with good attitudes for 2 underachievers with bad attitudes. You are getting no increase in production and some real bad apples. I'd hold out for something better

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    I just feel like with that trade, you are trading 2 underachievers with good attitudes for 2 underachievers with bad attitudes. You are getting no increase in production and some real bad apples. I'd hold out for something better
    I will take the risk of drama for the upside both of these guys have. Both had better runs at a younger age outside the difficult AL East both having put up 800+ OPS years before the age of 25. Toronto saves money to fill other needs and gets less potential headaches but take back players with less upside so its a good trade for both on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    I will take the risk of drama for the upside both of these guys have. Both had better runs at a younger age outside the difficult AL East both having put up 800+ OPS years before the age of 25. Toronto saves money to fill other needs and gets less potential headaches but take back players with less upside so its a good trade for both on paper.
    It doesn't bother you that Escobar likes to put derogatory remarks on his eyeblack or that Atlanta dumped him after those .800 OPS seasons because of attitude and effort issues?

    It doesn't bother you that Colby Rasmus' dad is a micromanager who is openly critical of coaching in the media? Or that he has a career AVG of .243?

    Personally, I want nothing to do with either of them

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    It doesn't bother you that Escobar likes to put derogatory remarks on his eyeblack or that Atlanta dumped him after those .800 OPS seasons because of attitude and effort issues?

    It doesn't bother you that Colby Rasmus' dad is a micromanager who is openly critical of coaching in the media? Or that he has a career AVG of .243?

    Personally, I want nothing to do with either of them
    Nope, everyone makes mistakes.

    Rasmus' .243 is better than .241 that Drew gives us and he's also 2 years younger. OPS+ Wise its 86 for Drew and 98 for Rasmus and then when you put Rasmus in a place like our park its even more exciting with his .914 OPS here. Escobar is a 99 OPS+ while Zack is a 82 in his career and had from more OBP potential something we need all while keeping up good defense.

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    I just feel like with that trade, you are trading 2 underachievers with good attitudes for 2 underachievers with bad attitudes. You are getting no increase in production and some real bad apples. I'd hold out for something better
    Money....surely you're not labeling Cozart as an underachiever after his Rookie year are you? I think we're all hoping for, and maybe even expecting, some offensive improvement from Cozart. But, personally, I was pretty pleased with his 1st year. Very good sure-handed fielder, some power and speed. Let's not forget what the Reds had to live with at SS between Larkin and Cozart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgslone View Post
    Money....surely you're not labeling Cozart as an underachiever after his Rookie year are you? I think we're all hoping for, and maybe even expecting, some offensive improvement from Cozart. But, personally, I was pretty pleased with his 1st year. Very good sure-handed fielder, some power and speed. Let's not forget what the Reds had to live with at SS between Larkin and Cozart.
    He played extremely well in his cup of coffee in 2011 and took a step back in 2012. That is what I meant by "underachieving". I'm not saying he's a bust or will never amount to anything, but he is 27 years old with a highly regarded option sitting behind him. A decision has to be made on him soon.

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    He played extremely well in his cup of coffee in 2011 and took a step back in 2012. That is what I meant by "underachieving". I'm not saying he's a bust or will never amount to anything, but he is 27 years old with a highly regarded option sitting behind him. A decision has to be made on him soon.
    I think I mostly agree with you. Gregorious is just too promising at this point to declare Cozart the SS of the future. On the other hand, if Gregorius never panned out I would still be happy with Cozart as the SS going forward. So, maybe we differ a little in how much we like Cozart. But, I agree that a decision needs to be made in regard to the SS of the future - I just think that it's too early to make that decision now. I don't think the Reds need to try to rush Gregorius, especially since he's progressing so well. Let's at least give Gregorius another season (or at least half a season) in AAA, and then reassess. I feel good going into next season with Cozart, and I don't want to gamble with that position at this point. I do, however, disagree with those who want to hold on to every potential player and "platooon" them - both Cozart and Gregorius have too much trade value to waste like that.

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    He played extremely well in his cup of coffee in 2011 and took a step back in 2012. That is what I meant by "underachieving".
    Took a step back? What team were you watching? He was more than solid all year, all around, in his first year, despite batting out of position.

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    Problem with Rasmus is if you trade for him, you also trade for Daddy Dearest. And Colby listens to *nobody* about anything but Daddy Dearest.

    Until Colby develops a backbone and tells dad to MYOB, I'd rather not see him play for the Reds.

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by foxfire123 View Post
    Problem with Rasmus is if you trade for him, you also trade for Daddy Dearest. And Colby listens to *nobody* about anything but Daddy Dearest.

    Until Colby develops a backbone and tells dad to MYOB, I'd rather not see him play for the Reds.
    I think that played out as a bigger deal than it was because of LaRussa and then how everything Cards related gets blown out of proportion in that city. But even if he listen's to his dad and nobody else and it works then let him work with his dad. If he meets his potential hits around .280 with 30+ HR and 100 RBI and a good OBP would anyone honestly care who he works with?

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    Re: Reds Willing to Trade a SS

    But seriously HH, do you think an overall gain of only .02 in average and a 12 gain in OPS is worth the attitude and outside problems that come with Rasmus?

    Really, there has to be better options than him out there.


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