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    Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    While browsing my RSS feeds I came across a piece from Beyond the Box Score that highlighted this Baseball Prospectus article.

    The article is about Jose Molina. Jose Molina hit .223/.286/.355 this season. He is a catcher, which you probably already knew, or knew once you saw his last name. Jose Molina also played in just 80 games. Stats suggest that Jose Molina posted the same value as Giancarlo Cruz-Michael Stanton who hit .290/.361/.608 with 37 home runs in just 501 plate appearances because Jose Molina was worth 50 runs by the way that he was able to frame pitches and trick umpires into calling strikes on pitches that weren't.

    There are 10 pitches in total showing him getting strike calls on clear balls so be sure to check out the link above to see them, but this was the one that measured out to be the worst call of them all.


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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Have you watched an NFL game lately? Blech. Computers ruin the fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Have you watched an NFL game lately? Blech. Computers ruin the fun.
    No. I live in Cincinnati where we don't get to watch our team play.

    And sorry, but nothing is fun about making Jose Molina as valuable as Giancarlo Cruz-Michael Stanton. That is like taking Tim Tebow and changing the rules so he is as valuable as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. That isn't fun. It is mind numbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    No. I live in Cincinnati where we don't get to watch our team play.

    And sorry, but nothing is fun about making Jose Molina as valuable as Giancarlo Cruz-Michael Stanton. That is like taking Tim Tebow and changing the rules so he is as valuable as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. That isn't fun. It is mind numbing.
    It might be reckless to make that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    No. I live in Cincinnati where we don't get to watch our team play.
    Easy fix, sell out the game 3 days in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBA View Post
    Easy fix, sell out the game 3 days in advance.
    I don't have the kind of money to buy thousands of tickets every other week at $70 a pop.

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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    How do you feel about it being a constant in the game for dozens and dozens of years? To me, it seems baked in with the pie.

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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    How do you feel about it being a constant in the game for dozens and dozens of years? To me, it seems baked in with the pie.
    What do you mean?

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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    What do you mean?
    Just that Molina is just one of probably hundreds of catchers over time that really succeed in these tactics. It's part of a catcher's skill set. Why do you want to end it now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Just that Molina is just one of probably hundreds of catchers over time that really succeed in these tactics. It's part of a catcher's skill set. Why do you want to end it now?
    I want it to end now because it creates an unfair advantage for something that is outside of the rulebook. The strikezone is static. We have the technology to call it correctly, yet we still let the rules be taken advantage of that allow frankly terrible players have the same value as MVP caliber players because they are good at tricking the umpire. It is crazy.

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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I want it to end now because it creates an unfair advantage for something that is outside of the rulebook. The strikezone is static. We have the technology to call it correctly, yet we still let the rules be taken advantage of that allow frankly terrible players have the same value as MVP caliber players because they are good at tricking the umpire. It is crazy.
    Yep, I agree 100% Doug.
    It seems the only defense of the current system is "That's the way it's always been done".
    Time to move into the 21st century.
    I really get annoyed when umpires appear to deliberately squeeze a guy in certain situations as well.. Sorry, but I would like less of the "human element". I want a fair competition. Honestly, it feels kind of cheesy even when the Reds benefit from Umpire Failure.
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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    The pitch above doesn't look all that bad, looks like boarder line strike.

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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    The pitch above doesn't look all that bad, looks like boarder line strike.
    Inside and low. Not close in the view of these old eyes.
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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    The pitch above doesn't look all that bad, looks like boarder line strike.
    Home plate is 17 inches wide. That pitch was 19 inches from the center of home plate. If home plate is 17 inches wide, then from the center of home plate to the corner is 8.5 inches. That puts that pitch nearly a foot away (10.5 inches) from the plate as it crossed where home plate was at.

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    Re: Why we need computers calling balls and strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Home plate is 17 inches wide. That pitch was 19 inches from the center of home plate. If home plate is 17 inches wide, then from the center of home plate to the corner is 8.5 inches. That puts that pitch nearly a foot away (10.5 inches) from the plate as it crossed where home plate was at.
    That doesn't look 10.5 inches off the plate. How so?


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