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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    4. 17.5M doesn't get you that much on the open market. Jose Reyes would get just a good a contract right now.
    Perhaps. But unless he would get sometohnmg quite a bit better, his trade value may be very limited over and above taking on his salary.

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    I should also note that there is a great deal of speculation about continued increasing revenue streams for baseball. On Baseball prospectus there is some thought inflation and such increasing salaries by 20% by 2014.

    I think at this point if you can get a good player locked into a salary for multiple years he's going to have heavy value relative to the market. Presumably why the Dodgers would even consider doing what they are doing.

    Sure the Jays aren't going to get a lot of value from the Buerhle and Buck contracts, but they did need major league pitchers. They had about 5 pitchers above replacement value last year. They needed a starter, and you can say what you want about Buerhle, but he is a major league starter and would probably get a deal sniffing his current one via free agency. Not the worst contract to buy considering his health record. Buck is an adequate major league catcher and can probably be dumped relatively easily if they wish.

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I mean, the guy killed the Expos and baseball's market in Montreal for good. They are really going to let him do the same in Miami?


    Also, the Reds should be asking about Bonifacio.
    he also helped push up the price of the O's at sale and that carried over to the whole game before the game was ready

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Perhaps. But unless he would get sometohnmg quite a bit better, his trade value may be very limited over and above taking on his salary.
    It's not that easy to get a Jose Reyes.

    If Reyes were making $0 per year, you would likely have to give up your top 4-5 prospects to get him.

    At some point, there are only 5 guys on the planet who can do what Reyes can do, and there is essentially only one avenue to get a Jose Reyes (for the Jays - via trade, or you hope to get lucky with a prospect). It's not like if they keep their 17M they are going to get a different Jose Reyes, or sign 3 guys who add up to a Jose Reyes. They just added a guy who is likely their best player and should be fore multiple years. These guys dont grow on trees for Toronto.
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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    So, let's see....the Marlins have traded away in this past year....

    Hanley Ramirez
    Randy Choate
    Edward Mujica
    Gaby Sanchez
    Kyle Kaminska
    Heath Bell
    Anibel Sanchez
    Omar Infante
    Jose Reyes
    Josh Johnson
    Mark Buehrle
    John Buck
    Emilio Bonifacio


    Am I missing anyone? Good lord. Contract that team is right. Sheesh!
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    7:14pm: As it stands now, the Marlins will send right-hander Josh Johnson, left-hander Mark Buehrle, shortstop Jose Reyes, outfielder Emilio Bonifacio, and catcher John Buck for shortstop Yunel Escobar, infielder Adeiny Hechavarria, right-hander Henderson Alvarez, left-hander Justin Nicolino, outfielder Jake Marisnick, catcher Jeff Mathis, and right-hander Anthony DeSclafani, tweets Morosi.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#70ODKXxubBJUdftB.99
    Plus the M's are sending 4 million to the Jays too.
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    One thing that hasn't been discussed here yet, is how likely it now looks that the Jays will compete in the AL east next year.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his son?

    (For the record, this is the FIRST time I've ever used this internal RZ meme).
    "Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013

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    It's not even over yet either LOL
    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ml...-go-says-execs
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    What a joke of a franchise they are. The big, splashy free agent signings were all a sham from the get go. He got his stadium. Now what does he care? Say what you will about Boston or the Cubs or any other number of teams, but for my money the worst run organization in baseball resides in Miami, and it isn't even that particularly close.

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

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    I really think Selig needs to step in and kill this one.

    Or tell Loria he has to go.
    Loria needed to go when he killed baseball in Montreal. The fact baseball gave him the fish still burns me.
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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Reyes, J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    One thing that hasn't been discussed here yet, is how likely it now looks that the Jays will compete in the AL east next year.
    J. Johnson
    B. Morrow
    Buerhle
    Drabek
    Romero

    1. Reyes SS
    2. Bonifacio 2B
    3. Bautista RF
    4. Encarnacion DH
    5. Lawrie 3B
    6. Rasmus CF
    7. Lind 1B
    8. d'Arnaud/Buck C
    9. Davis LF

    I would say that is a contending team.
    Matta = Really good

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Reyes, J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    All I have to say is that if I'm Buerhle or Reyes I am NOT a happy camper. Not to stereotype, but I'm imagine Miami had a certain appeal to Reyes in particular.

    And if I'm Giancarlo Stanton, I'm telling my agent that I want to be next.

    Can't wait for the inevitable, "Sure we had some bad luck, but we built you a stadium and got you good players and you fans still didn't come out. What can we say? We had no choice."
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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Reyes, J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    All I have to say is that if I'm Buerhle or Reyes I am NOT a happy camper. Not to stereotype, but I'm imagine Miami had a certain appeal to Reyes in particular.
    I'm wondering if Buehrle may ask for a trade to St. Louis as has long been rumored throughout his career instead of playing in Toronto.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Blue Jays Acquiring J.Reyes, J.Johnson and M.Buerhle

    This is reminiscent of the recent BoSox dumping of big names and contracts to the Dodgers.

    If I were a Marlins fan (if there are any, I've never met one), I'd be pretty hacked off.

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