Wow. Lots of varying opinions in this thread. Here's my take:
I've not been in his camp at all for most of his career, citing Cueto beating him to the majors amid all the hype about Bailey. But by the end of 2012, clearly Bailey was pitching as well, if not better than any starting pitcher in our rotation. I was very impressed and very confident in him. In the past, I've been bothered by his chronic injuries that have kept him from pitching 30 starts. But he trained hard last offseason and had a solid, if not very good season. An e.r.a. in the mid-3.00's is very good today. And he's only 26. I think he gets better and better from here on out. My only concern about Homer would be if he regresses back to some fragility and misses a bunch of starts here and there. That would be the ONLY reason I'd consider trading him.....OR.......some team overpays to get him, which I don't see happening. I can't remember the Reds ever having a starting pitching rotation so young and so good in my lifetime. I'm reluctant to tinker with it, honestly.
Would be a young, cheap, under control solution to the ongoing void in LF, no doubt. Answer to clean up hitter too, possibly. I'd rather trade Leake and one of Corcino or Cingrani. Although I'm a bit hesitant to do that if the Reds don't feel they can pony up enough money to sign Arroyo post-2013, which leads to the need for Cingrani or Corcino to step up. And I highly doubt KC would trade their top prospect for Leake and one of our top triple A pitchers........but maybe they would.
It almost seems like so many questions could be answered by mid-2013 or the end of the season, such as Hamilton, Corcino, and Cingrani's progress/future with the team. And you could throw in Gregorius too. I realize BP, Votto and others aren't getting any younger. But theoretically, this team should be better next season than it was this season. Part of me wants to stand pat and see how the major league club does and how our future stars in the farm system progress. Hamilton might surprise and be in the majors sooner than expected.......or not. But if he makes that leap, you save yourself from trading for a rental.
Another thought is, what if 2013 brings a rash of injuries to the major league club and they falter and have a mediocre season? Surely, then you can wheel and deal a bit at that point too.
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Doubt the Royals would go for it, but if they did agree, I'd jump at it before they had a chance to re-think. I love Homer and would much rather deal Leake from the rotation if I had a choice, but for a young cotrollable bat like Myers? Hell yeah! Especially if they're moving Aroldis to the rotation. I'd also think about re-visiting the rumored Garza/Dejesus deal with the Baby Bears and I'd sign Madson.
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Homer is a good pitcher but not anywhere near the ace he was hyped to be. I don't think his stuff is as good as it was in the minors, his average fastball last year was 92.4. He was supposed to be the next Roger Clemens. Realistically I would say hes a very solid #3 and I doubt he can pitch as good as he did for the last part of last year for a whole season. If you can get a middle of the order bat for him then you sell high and move him. We also have to consider that Homer is going to start getting more and more expensive, 2012 is probably the last year we get him below market value. If the Royals would trade Myers for him I think you have to make that deal especially with Chapman ready to come into the rotation, and good options in the minors.
How is Myers' glove?
One day there will be a Bailey thread where the phrase "he was supposed to be an ace" won't be brought up.
It's no longer relevant to me, I think he should be discussed on his merits, not his projection 5 years ago.
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