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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

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    I don't think this is axiomatic. They are paying for a good back of the pen reliever. They gave a very similar contract to Marshall and their 9th inning guy last year has a premium contract. It seems intuitve to me that money allocated to the pen ought to be spent on the guys who are going to pitch the "money" innings, while you try to fill the other spots with young cheap arms. You gotta pay to play, "never pay premium for a closer" sounds like an excuse more than a strategy.
    Almost all very good relievers can close. Guys who have a double digit number in the saves column tend to be paid more, even if they aren't better pitchers. That is bad business.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

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    This is because of Baker.

    Jocketty with the Cards went into many seasons without a veteran closer. Baker needs a veteran closer, and wants a well defined bullpen with a proven guy in every slot.
    Except for that guy Isringhausen. Other than that, I have no concerns with this post.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Almost all very good relievers can close. Guys who have a double digit number in the saves column tend to be paid more, even if they aren't better pitchers. That is bad business.
    Begs the question. I think the more clear category for discussion is "late innings reliever" versus "closer." Broxton is being paid as a late innings reliever, and I don't hear much quibbling about the contract, just if he is of the right quality. Your argument is dated, rote and one size fits all. I don't think its wise to be that dogmatic about a clear debatable and in a cyclical business.
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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I would not be at all surprised to see Leake headed to KC in a Myers deal...
    I'd be down with that. Leake (+) for Myers, sign Broxton, move Chapman to the rotation and maybe sign Victorino to a deal of three years (2 + option) bridge to Hamilton = solid offseason.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Just heard about this.


    My first thought was, "Well, this confirms that Aroldis is a starter! Yay!"

    Next thought was, "Hmmm...while I'm actually in favor of this, I just hope it's not for a lot of money...if it is, I'd rather see Hoover given a shot".

    Still, I see this as a good thing. I really trust Walt and his decisions.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Prediction for 2013 if they sing Broxton....

    I'll complain about 60 times about how dang slow Broxton works. Jeez, the guy drives me nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I would not be at all surprised to see Leake headed to KC in a Myers deal...
    I don't see them moving Myers. Unless its for Jay Bruce or something.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Speaking of Myers...Royals in talks w/ Boston for Lester or TB for Shields.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    Prediction for 2013 if they sing Broxton....

    I'll complain about 60 times about how dang slow Broxton works. Jeez, the guy drives me nuts.
    If you sing your complaints, the whole thing will go well. Sort of a call and response.

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Just talked to Broxton's agent. Wouldn't say it's a done deal. Said they had substantial talks. Could come together quickly. #reds

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Here is a fangraphs take on this situation.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...oldis-chapman/

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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    I complained about Cordero, nonstop it seemed. But in the end, he was pretty good, all things considered. And give him credit........sure he got paid, but he was willing to sign with the Reds and pitch in HR happy GABP.

    After Chapman's historic season of closing, anyone else is doomed by the fans at trying to close games.

    I see the starting rotation and bullpen taking a step backward next season. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Unfortunately, the offense is slightly broken, and the Reds are going to sacrifice pitching to fix the offense.
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    Re: Reds In Serious Talks With Jonathan Broxton

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Here is a fangraphs take on this situation.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...oldis-chapman/
    What I learned form that article: Broxton is 28! I seriously just assumed he was like 33 at this point. I'll probably cringe at this Broxton contract, but if it means Aroldis Chapman finally getting a shot at starting in 2013, pay the man whatever it takes.


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