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    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    The only comp I can think of is CC and he's been healthy. Hopefully Brox can be too.
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    I just don't see how they can afford to trade a starter unless they're adding another starter via trade or free agency. Not only is it unrealistic to expect everyone to stay healthy, it's crazy to think Chapman can go from closer to much more than 150 innings next season. They need rotation depth more than ever.
    Agree completely. Leake to long relief or maybe even AAA for a while to start the season. I'd bet he makes 15 starts in 2013.

    I'd stick Cingrani in the pen as the other lefty. Ondrusek and Arredondo would be the trade pieces with a kid or two IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Coffee has been healthy too if I am remembering correctly.
    Coffey had TJ recently. Of course, you can't blame that on his weight.

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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    I think it's mildly interesting that Broxton is younger than Sam LeCure.
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Agree completely. Leake to long relief or maybe even AAA for a while to start the season. I'd bet he makes 15 starts in 2013.

    I'd stick Cingrani in the pen as the other lefty. Ondrusek and Arredondo would be the trade pieces with a kid or two IMO.

    Broxton (CL)
    Marshall (LHSU)
    Hoover (RHSU)
    Lecure (RMR)
    Cingrani (LMR)
    Masset/Simon (Mop-up)
    Leake (Swingman)
    Reds have too many holes to hold Leake as a sixth starter. They probably can't afford more free agents of starting player quality. They will need to trade from their pitching depth.

    They aren't getting a regular LF or CF for Didi Gregorius and Ryan Lamarre.

    You go with five starters. You do your best to come up with depth guys in case of injury.

    I'd be amazed if Leake was in the bullpen waiting for an opening. I've been amazed before, so it's possible. I expect a trade from the pitching depth.
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    I would never pay a nonathlete that kind of money. In the lousy shape he is in he could get hit any second with back, shoulder, knee problems. He also strikes me as a feast or famine guy.
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    He's pretty quick for a big guy. I would say he's athletic

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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    I would never pay a nonathlete that kind of money. In the lousy shape he is in he could get hit any second with back, shoulder, knee problems. He also strikes me as a feast or famine guy.
    You probably wouldn't be a very good GM then.


    I'm willing to bet Broxton can do more 'athletic' things than our closer from 2008-2011 anyway.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by marcshoe View Post
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    This seems like a significant misappropriation of funds considering the overall salary constraints likely facing the Reds and their other, more pressing, needs.
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    I would never pay a nonathlete that kind of money. In the lousy shape he is in he could get hit any second with back, shoulder, knee problems. He also strikes me as a feast or famine guy.
    Yeah, Babe Ruth was overpaid

    I'm reminded of a John Kruk story:

    He was eating ribs at a nice restaurant, very sloppily and aggressively, when a woman came up to him aghast. She told him he should be ashamed of himself, considering he was an athlete. To which he replied, "Lady, I ain't an athelte, I'm a baseball player."
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    Re: Reds Sign Jonathan Broxton- 3 Years, $21m; 4th Year option

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    This seems like a significant misappropriation of funds considering the overall salary constraints likely facing the Reds and their other, more pressing, needs.
    They're paying him $4 million this year. $7 mil next. This isn't 1995 any more. That's not a ton of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    This is not meant to be a serious analysis comment.

    On my I-Phone, I have the "9 Innings" baseball app. A really, really, really good, fun MLB (officially sanctioned by MLB) game to have on your phone. You can control everything, but I typically just control hitting and pitching. The pitching is fun because you get to see what pitches these guys throw. And it's interesting because some of our best pitchers don't have many pitches, and other guys like Leake, Arroyo, LeCure are more fun because they have like 4 or 5 in the game. For Chapman, they have a 2-seam, 4-seam, slider, and changeup. It's almost comical to throw Chapman's changeup because it's not much slower than the fastball or slider.

    I even changed my batting lineup and moved Votto to hitting second. Last season, I missed the playoffs by a hair with Joey batting third, and this season I made them with Votto hitting second. Not real world, I know.........but it worked in this game.

    Something else I found interesting, Marshall throws a Circle Change in this game. I don't think he actually throws it in reality. He has a slider, 4-seam, nasty curve, and a circle change according to them.

    Cueto only throws a 4-seam, slider and changeup. I think Bailey throws a 4-seam, splitter, curve, slider and changeup. This is per this MLB sanctioned game, I remind you.

    Anyway, it's a fun game. Does anyone else play it? I probably play one game a day when I have the time. Maybe waiting for a doctor's appointment or oil change, or waiting on my kids or something.

    I had a no-hitter going the other day, and I laughed at myself because going into the 6th inning, I got nervous. LOL.
    Thanks. Now I am hooked on this stupid game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilpdawg View Post
    Thanks. Now I am hooked on this stupid game.

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    I just downloaded this, clearly whoever made this game is not from the US. Very broken English, cheerleaders, whistles signaling foul balls for some reason lol.

    Fun game though
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