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    Chapman told to prepare as a starter

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    The Reds actually told Chapman to prepare as a starter immediately following the season.

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Fay has this:
    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...pman-to-start/
    “Nothing is in stone right now,” assistant general manager Bob Miller said. “We told (Chapman) before he left to prepare like he was coming in as a starter. That’s the hard part, preparing as a starter. There’s nothing set in stone. When we talked to Jonathan, we said you’re going to be in the backend of the bullpen.

    “What happens will play out in spring training. It depends what other moves we make in the offseason. There are concerns with Chapman’s innings and things like that. Everything will play out.”

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Cool. So he's not committing to anything so as not to loose leverage in possible deals for his starters, etc.

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Do the Reds subscribe to the Verducci Effect and limit him to 98 innings?
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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Reds pitching coach Bryan Price said Wednesday that Aroldis Chapman will be on an innings limit in 2013.
    Chapman is expected to transition from the bullpen to the rotation, and will have to be monitored closely because he threw only 71 2/3 innings in 2012 and most starters reach 200 innings when good health is maintained. "A hard number, I can’t say," Price told the Cincinnati Enquirer. "I’d like to see where he is in terms of innings and pitchers after 25 or 30 starts."

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Well, 25-30 starts would yield 150-175 innings at roughly 6 IP per start.

    It seems, then, they're setting their bar a little higher than some were claiming.
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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    Do the Reds subscribe to the Verducci Effect and limit him to 98 innings?
    If we did follow Mr. Verducci's advice, we can theoretically add thirty to Chapman's highest innings total. That'd put him somewhere around 150. Price said there wouldn't be any set in stone number though.

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    I hear, Chapman will only get 1 start in April. Then he'll be the 5th starter in May and June. They will pitch him until the All-Star break and then give him the rest of July off. Start him back up the second week of August, through September and hopefully the postseason. They calculate it will save him from about 10 starts, roughly 60 IP. So he'll have about 20 starts and 120-150 IP.
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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Where'd ya hear that from? Sounds like an awful lot of starting and stopping, IMO.

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    Do the Reds subscribe to the Verducci Effect and limit him to 98 innings?
    Verducci only applies to kids 23 and under. The Reds can push Chapman a little more. I'd guess around 150 innings would be OK.
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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    Do the Reds subscribe to the Verducci Effect and limit him to 98 innings?
    They have in the past when it came to prospects. But, Chapman has thrown 125.2 innings in a season before (in Cuba). So his "limit" would be 155.2 if they were strictly at +30 of his previous high.

    I expect the Reds to have a plan that will allow them to use Chapman in the playoffs as a starter.

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    I personally think the reds are messing up putting chapman in the rotation.I would'nt have no problem with him starting if he had more than two pitches but he does'nt.He does'nt thow and I see it turning ugly fast once the batters start teeing off on him.He needs to learn another pitch or two b/c the fastball isn't going to get you out of trouble everytime.
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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Chapman and only 2 pit he's is a myth. He has a change that he abandoned as a closer. I would bet his winter routine andST puts that back in his repertoire. He also has the slider and he throws 2 fastballs. In ST last year he was pitching pretty well using all his pitches. When he went to the pen he really only needed the hard stuff and his change needs to be utilized to keep it sharp. Any pitch does in point but especially one a guy has learned fairly recently. Chapman will succeed or fail based on command and temperment imo, not lack of repertoire.

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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    They have in the past when it came to prospects. But, Chapman has thrown 125.2 innings in a season before (in Cuba). So his "limit" would be 155.2 if they were strictly at +30 of his previous high.
    Those are Cuban innings, though. And as we all know, that translates into about 170 US innings.
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    Re: Chapman told to prepare as a starter

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Chapman and only 2 pit he's is a myth. He has a change that he abandoned as a closer. I would bet his winter routine andST puts that back in his repertoire. He also has the slider and he throws 2 fastballs. In ST last year he was pitching pretty well using all his pitches. When he went to the pen he really only needed the hard stuff and his change needs to be utilized to keep it sharp. Any pitch does in point but especially one a guy has learned fairly recently. Chapman will succeed or fail based on command and temperment imo, not lack of repertoire.
    I need to see that third pitch before I throw him to the wolves. He will not work out as a starter if he can only use 2 pitches


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