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    Re: Ichiro?

    Probably one of the oddest facts I've noticed over the years; Ichiro is a .322 career hitter ; Adam Dunn is a .240 career hitter. Yet Dunn still has a higher on base pct. .370 to .364 for their careers.

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    Re: Ichiro?

    I doubt it would happen, but I like the outside the box thinking.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    I've been advocating for this idea all off season...

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...44#post2773744
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    Ichiro is unique. I've never seen anyone handle a bat like he did (admittedly I only saw Wee Willie Keeper play once or twice, both times in dreams.) I'm not sure he would be the best teacher for Hamilton, who couldn't get by as easily while avoiding walks.

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    I'd enjoy watching Ichiro, I know that. And he still plays a quality OF. I'd prefer him to a low OBP, good power guy like Heisey.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    I don't know why someone wouldn't want him here for a one or two-year deal. The Reds want someone to leadoff, well, it doesn't get much better than Ichiro.

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    I had unfairly considered Ichiro to be in steep decline prior to last year's trade. I didn't take into account how pernicious Safeco is. The fact that Ichiro hit for average in that park for a decade is astounding. Finally in 2011 and 2012 the park got the better of him. Yet it seems like he still has the skills to hit in non-post-apocalyptic setting. Could he be had for less than Ludwick is asking?
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    The question is whether he's willing to play in Cincinnati. If he is, I'd be happy with him in the OF. I'd love to see the Reds sign Ichiro, deal for Fowler, and put up an all obp lineup with three CF in the outfield.

    Fowler CF
    Ichiro LF
    Votto 1B
    Frazier 3B
    Bruce RF
    Phillips 2B
    Hanigan C
    Cozart SS

    Some would rail about that lineup's lack of power, but 175 HR among them isn't out of the question at all. Ichiro might get 10 in a smaller park like the GAB.
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    Re: Ichiro?

    Thatd be an awesome lineup! Can you imagine TWO good OBP guys in front of Votto? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    The question is whether he's willing to play in Cincinnati. If he is, I'd be happy with him in the OF. I'd love to see the Reds sign Ichiro, deal for Fowler, and put up an all obp lineup with three CF in the outfield.

    Fowler CF
    Ichiro LF
    Votto 1B
    Frazier 3B
    Bruce RF
    Phillips 2B
    Hanigan C
    Cozart SS

    Some would rail about that lineup's lack of power, but 175 HR among them isn't out of the question at all. Ichiro might get 10 in a smaller park like the GAB.
    Man, do I like that lineup. Nice mix of HR, XBH, OB, BA, speed and defense.
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    Re: Ichiro?

    I can't imagine Ichiro coming to Cincy or any other midwestern city, but yep - that is GREAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    Thatd be an awesome lineup! Can you imagine TWO good OBP guys in front of Votto? Wow.
    Ichiro's OBP the last two years is .310 and .307. I don't know that he still qualifies as a good OBP guy.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...uzukic01.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Ichiro's OBP the last two years is .310 and .307. I don't know that he still qualifies as a good OBP guy.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...uzukic01.shtml
    Small sample size, but it did spike to .340 once he went to the Yankees. Some of the low OBP might have had something to do with motivation, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Small sample size, but it did spike to .340 once he went to the Yankees. Some of the low OBP might have had something to do with motivation, no?
    Ballpark was an even bigger factor. His Safeco OB in 2011 was .296 and in 2012 it was .259.
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    Re: Ichiro?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Ballpark was an even bigger factor. His Safeco OB in 2011 was .296 and in 2012 it was .259.
    Good point. In any case, I would think Ichiro has one or two useful seasons still ahead of him. I would not be disappointed if Walt goes this route.
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