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    Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Both are going to try to pitch in 2013. Any interest in taking a minor league flier on either of them?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...h-in-2013.html

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    Minor league flier? Sure. Any confidence in anything coming out of it? Nope. Shoulder problems are usually a career killer, especially after you've been fighting it for 4/5 years.
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    If Webb gets a minor league contract, I would put money on it that it's with the Reds.

    Wouldn't mind having both as depth. These are the guys you catch lightning in a bottle with, and the more of them you get, better chance you have of catching lightning.

    Plus a Louisville rotation of...

    Cingrani
    Corcino
    Harden
    Webb
    Redmond

    Might win a ML title, couldn't hurt to throw them a bone.
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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    If Webb gets a minor league contract, I would put money on it that it's with the Reds.

    Wouldn't mind having both as depth. These are the guys you catch lightning in a bottle with, and the more of them you get, better chance you have of catching lightning.

    Plus a Louisville rotation of...

    Cingrani
    Corcino
    Harden
    Webb
    Redmond

    Might win a ML title, couldn't hurt to throw them a bone.
    As a fan base we have to get out of this "lightning in a bottle" mentality. That's Jim Bowden's long term influence at work. How about bringing in as many quality guys as we can find instead of wasting resources on long shot reclamation projects?
    Last edited by Dan; 12-03-2012 at 09:26 AM.
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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    As a fan base we have to get out of this "lightning in a bottle" mentality. That's Jim Bowden's long term influence at work. How about bringing in ass many quality guys as we can find instead of wasting resources on long shot reclamation projects?
    Until we have unlimited resources, I don't see why it's a bad thing to do. Brandon Phillips worked out pretty well as a lightning in a bottle guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    As a fan base we have to get out of this "lightning in a bottle" mentality. That's Jim Bowden's long term influence at work. How about bringing in ass many quality guys as we can find instead of wasting resources on long shot reclamation projects?
    Maybe at best in the middle of the season we get 5-6 decent starts from Harden when someone else goes on the DL. If we even get that, the longshot is a win for us. No reason not to take fliers regardless of how good the team is.
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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    A minor league deal isn't "lightning in a bottle". Every system has spots open for guys like that. Depth vets or AAAA players "in case". Difference is whether you are pinning hopes on their resurrection or not.

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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    As a fan base we have to get out of this "lightning in a bottle" mentality. That's Jim Bowden's long term influence at work. How about bringing in ass many quality guys as we can find instead of wasting resources on long shot reclamation projects?
    Whose spot are they taking?

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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Lightning in a bottle when it's a former Cy Young is different than most other players.

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    Yeah, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Webb. Always had a soft spot in my heart for him.
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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    As a fan base we have to get out of this "lightning in a bottle" mentality. That's Jim Bowden's long term influence at work. How about bringing in as many quality guys as we can find instead of wasting resources on long shot reclamation projects?
    The difference is that Bowden's "LIAB" longshots got major league jobs. I see nothing wrong with giving guys a shot in the minors to see how it works out.
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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    As a fan base we have to get out of this "lightning in a bottle" mentality. That's Jim Bowden's long term influence at work. How about bringing in as many quality guys as we can find instead of wasting resources on long shot reclamation projects?
    The Cards used the "lightening in a bottle" mentality of rehabbing Chris Carperter after he was released by the Blue Jays.

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    Re: Rich Harden & Brandon Webb

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    The difference is that Bowden's "LIAB" longshots got major league jobs. I see nothing wrong with giving guys a shot in the minors to see how it works out.
    Exactly. Bringing in the LIAB long-shot to give it a run as the #3 starter in Louisville is bringing them in to be your #3 starter in Cincinnati.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Maybe at best in the middle of the season we get 5-6 decent starts from Harden when someone else goes on the DL. If we even get that, the longshot is a win for us. No reason not to take fliers regardless of how good the team is.
    My thoughts exactly. If the Reds are putting Chapman in the rotation and potentially trading a SP, they need good depth. These guys could be that in Louisville. If they are healthy and can pitch some still (and I'm assuming they would be in order to be signed in the first place), they would be better depth than Redmond. Plus, they could potentially be traded for a good prospect if they really pan out well.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.


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