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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    IMO, the best way to look at this contract is as a back-loaded deal. The Reds just signed Ludwick for $12 million in 2013. If he earns that then whatever he delivers for $3 million in 2014 is gravy. The key is next year. The Reds need an .800+ OPS from him.
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    Let's just hope he doesn't turn back into a pumpkin now.
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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Let's just hope he doesn't turn back into a pumpkin now.
    He was a fine hitter until being exiled to San Diego. Upon escaping, he kept on hitting. I'm more worried about aging than him not being able to hit.

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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crumbley View Post
    He was a fine hitter until being exiled to San Diego. Upon escaping, he kept on hitting. I'm more worried about aging than him not being able to hit.
    Sometimes age turns people into pumpkins, too.
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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Ludwick needs just enough days off to keep the 4th and 5th OF fresh.

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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Considering that Shane Victoriano just got paid 39M for 3 years I think this is a great deal. To get a solid LF who can hit 25-30 HRs a year under 10M a year is a steal compared to what a lot of teams are having to pay for outfielders.

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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by dunner13 View Post
    Considering that Shane Victoriano just got paid 39M for 3 years I think this is a great deal. To get a solid LF who can hit 25-30 HRs a year under 10M a year is a steal compared to what a lot of teams are having to pay for outfielders.
    I would agree with that, absolutely. I think Ludwick is a huge upgrade over Gomes. I have no idea what Cherington is doing over there in Boston. I suppose he's got more money to play with though, so he can take more risks.
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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    LOL. I came here to see if there were any updates, and the Fowler thread happened to be above this one. And for an instant, I thought there was a deal for Fowler.

    Did my second take and nada.
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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    Now we are tied to Stubbs until Hamilton is ready.
    How so?
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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    For the record, I'm fine with this deal. Ludwick was a solid producer, decent defender, and good clubhouse presence.

    Given the insane money being thrown around this offseason, this deal is actually fairly reasonable -- especially considering the alternative options weren't attractive at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveman Techie View Post
    How so?
    Because that's what ESPN.com says. Tend to agree our budget won't allow for a FA in CF. Trade could do it. So we'll see.
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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Many of the cf options aren't free agents. I'm not sure which ones, other than Bourn, this might preclude. It shouldn't affect the pursuit of Fowler, De Aza, or Parra, for instance.

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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    This is a good deal. If Reds went into open market for a new cleanup hitter, they would have given up more money and maybe prospects in a trade.

    IMO it is now MORE likely they make a modest CF acquisition.

    Reds can't be far off budget, Ludwick cost what should have been expected, give or take a modest amount.

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    Re: Ludwick Contract Offer/ Ludwick has deal with the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by dunner13 View Post
    Considering that Shane Victoriano just got paid 39M for 3 years I think this is a great deal. To get a solid LF who can hit 25-30 HRs a year under 10M a year is a steal compared to what a lot of teams are having to pay for outfielders.
    This is true....IF Ludwick hits like last year and gets around 25-30 hr's. Considering that last season he hit 26, in '08 he hit 37, and only hit in the 20's one other season (22 in '09)...I think planning on him going for 25-30 is a bit overly optimistic.

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    '11 .674 ops / 13 hr
    '12 .877 ops / 26 hr

    I'd love to think he's turned back around, but after 3 straight seasons of trending downwards RAPIDLY, I'm not holding my breath.

    That being said, I still like the signing. Just not expecting a repeat season.
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