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    Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo

    Clear 'Backs will lobbytalk Upton if Gregorius, Bogaerts, Simmons or Profar is avaliable, whivh none on, thus far
    If Gregorius is the linchpin of a deal for Upton from a Reds perspective, is there anyone here who would NOT pull the trigger? With Cozart already in place at SS, I deal Gregorius plus stuff for Upton every day of the week, as long as the stuff doesn't touch Hamilton or the ML starting roster / rotation. And I'd talk about Leake if they liked him.

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyenut View Post
    If Gregorius is the linchpin of a deal for Upton from a Reds perspective, is there anyone here who would NOT pull the trigger? With Cozart already in place at SS, I deal Gregorius plus stuff for Upton every day of the week, as long as the stuff doesn't touch Hamilton or the ML starting roster / rotation. And I'd talk about Leake if they liked him.
    I think I proposed Leake/Gregorius for Upton sometime back. (Then again I've proposed a lot of deals for Upton, so that doesn't count for much.) It really does make sense for both clubs.

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Just as long as Pokey Reese is off the table, I would send them Gregorius.

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    I'm not sure if I would do the trade or not, but let me play Devil's advocate.

    Upton's OPS the last 5 years:
    816, 899, 799, 898, 785
    Signed through 2015 at 9.7 million, 14.2 million, 14.5 million

    If we could get the 900 OPS version, it's a lot more attactive.
    He's going to be very expensive though in 2014-2015.. If he only can OPS around 800, that's a disaster. Upton's high price tag negates some of the advantage of his youth (He's going to be a FA at age 27-28)

    The other option would be to keep Didi and just sign Ludwick.
    Ludwick hasn't exactly been Mr Consistency either, but we probably get him signed for a little bit less money and he doesn't cost us prospects.
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I'm not sure if I would do the trade or not, but let me play Devil's advocate.

    Upton's OPS the last 5 years:
    816, 899, 799, 898, 785
    Signed through 2015 at 9.7 million, 14.2 million, 14.5 million

    If we could get the 900 OPS version, it's a lot more attactive.
    He's going to be very expensive though in 2014-2015.. If he only can OPS around 800, that's a disaster. Upton's high price tag negates some of the advantage of his youth (He's going to be a FA at age 27-28)

    The other option would be to keep Didi and just sign Ludwick.
    Ludwick hasn't exactly been Mr Consistency either, but we probably get him signed for a little bit less money and he doesn't cost us prospects.
    I know you are just playing devil's advocate, but last year aside, I think the Reds will rue the day they pick Ludwick over Justin Upton- especially for the next 3 years.
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    I know you are just playing devil's advocate, but last year aside, I think the Reds will rue the day they pick Ludwick over Justin Upton- especially for the next 3 years.
    I'm hoping the Reds only have to give Ludwick 2 years.
    But we'll see how it plays out.
    Maybe I'm nuts, but I think in 2013, it's not clear cut who will put up the better numbers. Ludwick has a chance to match Upton, or be close.

    It's nice to see Didi in such high demand (if Gammons is right).
    The Reds are going to be in a pretty nice position when they are going to be able to trade either Didi or Cozart.

    The thing about Upton that makes me nervous is that the Reds need a true star if they are going to pay him 14+ million. Paying a LF that only OPSes 800 that much is a recipe for disaster.. I guess I'm not sure which Upton we'd end up getting.. There is some potential downside.
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Just as long as Pokey Reese is off the table, I would send them Gregorius.


    Gregorius, Leake and one of Corcino/Cingrani for Upton. BOOM!

    (Too bad Ludwick will likely sign today taking this opportunity off the table).
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    When did Gregorius' trade value become even comparable to Profar?

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    I'm not sure how believable this report is. It would be hard to understand why Gregorious is valued that high with questions about his bat.

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    I'm not sure how believable this report is. It would be hard to understand why Gregorious is valued that high with questions about his bat.
    I don't know how reliable the report is but there's more to it than the on field capabilities of these players. Money is a huge factor. How badly do the D-Backs want to shed Upton's contract and how many suitors are there to take on that kind of obligation? Unfortunately this, like most hot stove talk on RZ, comes down to money and our Reds are one of the have nots. We likely can't afford a $14 mill LF. 90% of the discussions around here boil down to not enough money for the Reds to acquire (Josh Hamilton, David Wright...)

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I don't know how reliable the report is but there's more to it than the on field capabilities of these players. Money is a huge factor. How badly do the D-Backs want to shed Upton's contract and how many suitors are there to take on that kind of obligation? Unfortunately this, like most hot stove talk on RZ, comes down to money and our Reds are one of the have nots. We likely can't afford a $14 mill LF. 90% of the discussions around here boil down to not enough money for the Reds to acquire (Josh Hamilton, David Wright...)
    While I understand the Reds are one of the small market ball clubs in MLB, I think their revenue is trending in the right direction. Combine that with the fact that after the 2013 season Bronson Arroyo's 12,000,000 contract comes off the books. So they could rewrite Upton's contract to defer some of the money for 2013 I think they could make it work. Also at that point hopefully a guy like Corcino will hopefully be ready to fill in the starting rotation and would be a cheap replacement to Arroyo.
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    When did Gregorius' trade value become even comparable to Profar?
    I was sort of thinking the same thing. What prospect in baseball's trade value is comparable with Profar. Heck, Oscar Taveras might be the best pure hitting prospect in the minors right now but I would still take Profar even over my man crush for Taveras.
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    I was sort of thinking the same thing. What prospect in baseball's trade value is comparable with Profar. Heck, Oscar Taveras might be the best pure hitting prospect in the minors right now but I would still take Profar even over my man crush for Taveras.
    I don't think it is comparable, but it will get the conversation started. A lot of teams see Gregorius as a starting shortstop. That is what they need. The difference is, Profar gets the deal done by himself. Gregorius starts the talks and the teams work from there on the other parts.

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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I don't think it is comparable, but it will get the conversation started. A lot of teams see Gregorius as a starting shortstop. That is what they need. The difference is, Profar gets the deal done by himself. Gregorius starts the talks and the teams work from there on the other parts.
    Fair enough but I still think that it's going to take more than Gregorius and Leake to get Upton. I'm not even seeing Gregorius on the top 100 list of prospects on the MLB Network. I might get flak for this but I think this is a stuation where posters on here value him more than what other teams value him for.
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    Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    Fair enough but I still think that it's going to take more than Gregorius and Leake to get Upton. I'm not even seeing Gregorius on the top 100 list of prospects on the MLB Network. I might get flak for this but I think this is a stuation where posters on here value him more than what other teams value him for.
    That list hasn't really been updated. Mayo was talking about it during the AFL Championship game that it will be updated in January. Gregorius is going to be a Top 100 prospect.


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