“I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as fast.” — Eddie Bane
“We know we're better than this ... but we can't prove it.” — Tony Gwynn
Source: Jim Bowden
Response: Consider the source
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
After listening to Dusty yesterday, I was reminded why I have so little faith in the player usage part of his job. He talked about the role of the leadoff guy by mentioning speed in about 5 different ways; never hinted at getting on base. And then he went in to the Chapman part, citing that he could be both his best starter and best reliever, as if it wasn't obvious that if he's your best starter you'd be a moron to use him in relief.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...ng-much-better“There are very few leadoff men around,” Baker said. “A leadoff man keeps the pitcher in the stretch. ... They set the table and also permit you to win games without hitting the ball out of the ballpark. We depend on the home run a lot. And the fact that we have low-scoring games and good pitching, that’s even more important for us to have the leadoff man to win even more one-run ball games than we do.”
I didn't turn the timer on, but I'd have it in less than two minutes I located a recent quote refuting your claim. It appears you may have entered obscurantist territory with Dusty. Guys have to be on base to set the table and keep the pitcher in the stretch, or so it seems reasonable to assume that is what he meant.
Last edited by traderumor; 12-04-2012 at 02:08 PM.
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
I can see your point; perhaps I was listening through my anti-Dusty filter. Maybe the OBP point is obvious that he doesn't feel the need to make it. But when I hear Dusty talk about keeping the pitcher in the stretch and setting the table on the heels of the points specific to speed, I hear "speed keeps the other team honest" and "manufacture runs small-ball style". Perhaps that says more about me than Dusty...
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Generally absolutely.
But if you had 6 great/good starters, and a weak bullpen, and only one fo those starters could pitch in releif effectively, a case could be made that you'd have a better team even if your best starter became the closer. it would depend on how good your # 5 starter is, and how bad your bulllpen was.
"Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010
Jim Bowden is a tool, but that doesn't mean he should be used as a hammer against Dusty.
jojo (02-16-2013)
jojo (02-16-2013)
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Bowden doesn't understand how the Reds are winning without having several "5-tool" outfielders on the roster.
The Broxton deal would make no sense at all then
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