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    I'm stunned at the outrage. MLB has hundreds of moneygrabs each year, and the one people get upset about is one that honors the Latino influence in the game???

    I think it is a great idea.

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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    I know I'm not a bigot. And I'm old enough now to be stodgy.
    It's a slippery slope between stodginess and bigotry.

    Look, I just don't see the problem in letting other folks have their fun. In what way in the world does a Los Rojos shirt affect you adversely? Do you fee like it cheapens your status as a fan?
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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    I don't like all the gimmicks. Simple as that, and only my opinion.
    One man's gimmick is another man's identity.
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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    I did read, actually, and didn't see you express it in so many words.

    If you think it's just "ugly" aesthetically, as in the spacing of the letters or the trim or the script or whatever, well, I can't really argue that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what not.

    But if you think it is "unnecessary", well I suppose that's an opinion, though I don't think a very defensible one. Since when did one jersey reading "Los Rojos" turn into a jersey so every group can feel good?

    But more importantly -- do you not think players like Chapman and Cueto aren't tickled to see this jersey? Do you not think their fans in other countries (or this country) aren't as well? What about people who move here and don't speak the language? Do those people not matter?

    I also have to object to your "play the game" comment. Yes, it most definitely is baseball. That's my point. It's a sport played all around the world by people who speak all different languages (See: The World Baseball Classic). Baseball is smart to take advantage of that. And they are smart to realize that no one group or language has a monopoly on their sport.
    Well if you read, you would have seen it plainly stated in post #40 and I honestly don't feel the need to defend my opinion with you. Object all you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Well if you read, you would have seen it plainly stated in post #40 and I honestly don't feel the need to defend my opinion with you. Object all you want.
    Okay, I suppose you have the right to stick your fingers in your ears, too. In any case, you've already lost the argument. Los Rojos shirts are going on sale, after all.

    Sheesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    They're also going to appeal to fans that can't read by simply wearing uniforms that are red with no numbers or letters on them.
    Hyperbole and nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    It's a slippery slope between stodginess and bigotry.

    Look, I just don't see the problem in letting other folks have their fun. In what way in the world does a Los Rojos shirt affect you adversely? Do you fee like it cheapens your status as a fan?
    A perfect example of what I was talking about. You want to make me out to be a bigot. I've explained 3 times why I don't like the jersey. If that makes me a bigot in your world, that says more about you than it does me. There is nothing bigoted about why I don't like the jersey and feel it is unnecessary.
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    Re: Los Rojos

    As a guy who just likes Reds gear, I'm a fan. I usually pick up a couple new jersies every year anyways. A Cueto Rojos will probably be my next. Good job reds marketing team.


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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Okay, I suppose you have the right to stick your fingers in your ears, too. In any case, you've already lost the argument. Los Rojos shirts are going on sale, after all.

    Sheesh.
    I've lost nothing. I'm entitled to an opinion. Just because they wear it doesn't mean I have to like it and I certainly won't waste any money on it.
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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Die Roten. But English is being integrated into German culture so quickly that they must just go with Die Reds.
    No one who speaks German can be an evil man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    A perfect example of what I was talking about. You want to make me out to be a bigot. I've explained 3 times why I don't like the jersey. If that makes me a bigot in your world, that says more about you than it does me. There is nothing bigoted about why I don't like the jersey and feel it is unnecessary.
    I have been trying to respond as diplomatically to your points as I can. RedsZone is a place where we state opinions and defend them, is it not?

    I've noted that your statement that the jersey is "unnecessary" is well, just not true as far as I can tell. That argument is proven by at least two major points that I and others have made in various forms:

    1) the Reds' decision to market the jersey in the first place (M2's "crass commercialism" argument, which is quite on point)
    2) baseball's status as a world sport with lots of potential fans who can identify with teams in many ways.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But every opinion has reasons behind it, and I've yet to see you really explain why, given these two points you still deem the uniform "unnecessary".

    Without further explanation, I'm left grasping for good reasons at why you feel this way... and one of those would simply be intolerance of others. That doesn't make you a bigot in any serious way. It just makes you intolerant of other people's right to have baseball jerseys that mean something to them.
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    I think the regular BP jerseys (at least the marketing of them) are unnecessary myself Randy. So I can agree that it is not truly necessary to have these Rojos jerseys.

    But it's when you mention that (paraphrasing) "why do all groups need to be included" that raises a red flag.

    If you had just said they are ugly no one would have batted an eye.

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    I stated that I am a fan of classic baseball uniforms. Home whites. Road greys. I don't like the Red jersey they already have. That is my opinion and the reason I don't like the jersey. Folks that have been around here for any length of time know that about me. What I do realize is that your agenda is to try and paint me as an intolerant bigot, and I do realize that I'm not going to change that agenda by any means. That's your prerogative. I've explained my position. You reject it and are intent on reading what you want into it. That's fine, and again, says more about you than it does about me.

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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    I've lost nothing. I'm entitled to an opinion. Just because they wear it doesn't mean I have to like it and I certainly won't waste any money on it.
    That's one way of getting your opinion across. That said, I imagine they will sell a lot of these jerseys, which from a marketing standpoint would show them to be a little more than unnecessary.
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    Re: Los Rojos

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I think the regular BP jerseys (at least the marketing of them) are unnecessary myself Randy. So I can agree that it is not truly necessary to have these Rojos jerseys.

    But it's when you mention that (paraphrasing) "why do all groups need to be included" that raises a red flag.

    If you had just said they are ugly no one would have batted an eye.
    My position is why do you have to have a jersey for every group of people? Why the heck can't you just wear the Cincinnati Reds uniform? I think it is unnecessary to have to have a jersey for every individual group.
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